</s>193 anything, like as if I wasn't -- didn't even exist. 1 2 And then I asked him again. I said, "Well, 3 what kind of revolver is it?" 4 And he said, 'An Iver Johnson." " And then he turned the pistol around and 5 6 showed it to me where, on the barrel, it has identification of the type of pistol. 8 Did you notice any type of shells around 8 Q Did you note any typeof shells around 9 where this person was standing? Could you tell how many 10 rounds this person were fired, or make any estimate as to that? 11 A I'd say three to four hundred empty casings, 12 he had already used on the range. 13 Q Now, did this terminate the conversation? 14 Can you recall anything else that was said? 15 A Yes, most definitely. 16 David knows more about bullets than I did, 17 and it came to his attention -- he asked this individual 18 why he was -- "Isn't that?" He asked type of bullet?" 18 He had just one box aside from all these 20 other -- that it's called the mini-magnum; and this type 21 of bullet, when it's penetrates on an object, usually tears 22 and splits out into different directions where the regular 23 bullet of a 22 caliber goes in a hole, and when it goes, 24 into an object , it will come out the same size. 25 25 And he was --- he asked him the reason for 26 this, and he didn't know what the reason his -- I DONALD L. O'GIRVOY, C.S.R. OFFICIAL REPONVER 2025 RELEASE UNDER E.O. 14176

**Key Individuals:**

* Dr. Robert Hulsman: ambulance driver who attended to Senator Robert Kennedy after his assassination
* Max A. Behrmann: ambulance attendant who responded to the call at the Ambassador Hotel
* Jerrold Hemingway: ambulance driver who helped unload Senator Kennedy from the ambulance
* Donald C. Rus: ambulance driver who took Mrs. Evans to the hospital after she was shot
* Charles F. Hughes: police officer investigating the shooting of Senator Kennedy
* Albin S. Heggge: police officer who searched an automobile and found a wallet belonging to Sirhan Sirhan

**Dates and Locations:**

* June 4th, 1968: Senator Robert Kennedy assassinated at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles
* June 5th, 1968: Witnesses testify before the Grand Jury about their experiences on election night and the following morning

**Significant Events or Activities:**

* Senator Robert Kennedy shot and killed by Sirhan Sirhan at the Ambassador Hotel
* Witnesses respond to the call at the Ambassador Hotel and provide testimony about their experiences
* Police officers investigate the shooting and search for evidence, including a wallet belonging to Sirhan Sirhan

**Evidence, Testimony, or Findings:**

* A key found in the possession of Officer White, later marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 8
* A wallet belonging to Sirhan Sirhan, containing identification cards with his name
* Other items found in the vehicle, including a business card for Lock and Barrel Store, six keys with a tag containing the license number John William Sam 093, and two expended slugs

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