</s>193 anything, like as if I wasn't -- didn't even exist. 1 2 And then I asked him again. I said; "Well, 3 what kind of revolver is it ??? 4 And he said, "An Iver Johnson." 5 And then he turned the pistol around and 6 showed it to me where, on the barrel, it has identification 7 of the type of pistol. 8 Did you notice any type of shells around 9 where this person was standing? Could you tell how many rounds had been fired, or make any estimate as to that? 10 11 A I'd say three to four hundred empty casings, 12 he had already used on the range. 13 Q Now, did this terminate the conversation? 14 Can you recall anything else that was said? 16 A Yes, most definitely. 16 David knows more about bullets than I did, 17 and it came to his attention -- he asked this individual 18 why he was -- "I isn't that -- he said that a special type of bullet ?? 18 He had just one box aside from all these 20 other -- that it's called the mini-magnesium; and this type. 21 of bullet, when it's penetrates on an object, usually tears 22 and splits out into different directions where the regular bullet of a .22 caliber goes in a hole, and when it goes, 24 bullet off a . 22 caliber goes into a hole. and when its goes, 24 into an object. It will come out the same size, 25 into an Object, it will come come out in the same Size. And he was --- he asked him the reason for 26 this, and he didn't know what the reason his -- I DONALD L. OSTROV, C.S.R.S ., OFFICIAL REPORTER 2025 RELEASE UNDER E.O. 14176

**Key Individuals:**

* Robert Hulsman: ambulance driver who responded to Senator Robert F. Kennedy's shooting at the Ambassador Hotel
* Max Behrmann: ambulance attendant who took Senator Kennedy to the hospital
* Jerrold Hemingway: police officer who investigated the shooting and received evidence from other officers
* Albin S. Heggge: police officer who searched a car and found Sirhan Sirhan's identification
* Paul Schrade: man lying in a pool of blood near Senator Kennedy, later identified as a witness

**Dates and Locations:**

* June 4th-5th, 1968: dates of Senator Robert F. Kennedy's shooting at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles
* Central Receiving Hospital: hospital where Senator Kennedy was taken after being shot
* Grand Jury investigation: investigation into Senator Kennedy's assassination

**Significant Events and Activities:**

* Senator Robert F. Kennedy shot on June 5th, 1968, at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles
* Ambulance driver Robert Hulsman and attendant Max Behrmann responded to the shooting and took Senator Kennedy to the hospital
* Police officers Jerrold Hemingway and Albin S. Heggge investigated the shooting and collected evidence

**Evidence and Testimony:**

* A key marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 8, initially identified as a Chrysler products key but later confirmed to be a De Soto key
* A wallet containing Sirhan Sirhan's identification found in the glove compartment of a car
* Two expended slugs, approximately .22 caliber, found on the right front seat under some newspapers
* A .22 caliber shell, marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 6-0, found in the glove compartment amongst some other papers

**Connections to JFK and Related Investigations:**

* The assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy is connected to John F. Kennedy's assassination through the investigation into Sirhan Sirhan's involvement
* The evidence collected during the Grand Jury investigation into Senator Kennedy's assassination may be relevant to investigations into other crimes or events related to JFK's assassination

RFK Declassified Files

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