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================================================== Page 1 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/21/68 MELVIN R OLSON 3 Employment Representative, Burroughs Corporation, 460 Sierra Madre Villa, Pagadena_ 9 California 9 was advised & the identity of the interviewing Agent and then furnished the following voluntary information: MELVIN R. OLSON reviewed the original employment application form and stated that this form was filled out by STRHAN SIRHAN on November 7, 1967 2 at the Burroughs Corporation referred to above He stated that STRHAN SIRHAN filled out this form with a black ball-point pen and he (OLSON) made several entries during the course of the interview in red ball-point pen . He adviged that SIRHAN SIRHAN was not hired due to a stated back injury and a poor past work record. 6/14/68 afagadena 2 California File EosAngeles_56_156 On 545 SA RUSSELL C ANDERSON/cag_ Date dictated 6/21/68 by neither recommendationg nor conclusions of tho FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI &nd is loaned to Thig docunent contains your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ================================================== Page 2 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/2444/68 Mrs J . NAGER 9 Personnel Director, I. Magnin and Company, 3240 Wilshire Boulevard Los Angeles, California 9 was advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and then furnished the following voluntary information: Mrs NAGER caused 2 8earch of the Employment Application Files at the above-mentioned company and advised she could find no record for SIRHAN SIRHAN _ She advised it 18 the policy of the company to retain employment applications for a period of 30 days and then the forms are destroyed _ Mr: NAGER advised that the Employment Application Files at the Pasadena store, I_ Magnin Company , 475 South Lake, Pagadena 5 Celifornia, and the I Magnin and Company stores in San Francisco, California, were also caused to be seerched with negative results On 5/17/68 at Log_Angeles _ CaLifornia File #Los Angeles56-156 546 by SA RUS SELL C ANDERSON/cag Date dictated 6/21/68 contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of tho FBI: It is the property of the FBI &nd is loaned to This document your agency; it &nd its contents are to be distributed outside your agency. not ================================================== Page 3 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 Date 6417/63 Mrs MARY RAFIDI 2 Apartment 2005 North Talmadge Street, Loe Angeles California, who i8 a housewife stated that she is not personally ac quainted with SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN but that her husband , MUFIO RAFIDI 9 has met him She stated that her husband 19 also acquainted with ADEL BISHARA SIRHAN who 18 a brother 0f SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN 9 and recalled that she has had this latter individual pointed out to her by her hueband She stated that this occurred at The 1503 North Vermont Avenue Ios Angeles 9 California 2 where he entertains as 8 musician She stated tha t she has no knowledge of any activity of SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN that would be of assistance in the investigation 0f the shoo 0f Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY , which includes political background or associates 0f this individual or any member of his family. On 6/14/63 at Los_Angeles California File # Los_Angeles_56-156 547 by S4 WALTER L. HEYER/eb Date dictated 6/17/63 Thi8 document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBL: It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it &nd its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 14 , Fez , ting ================================================== Page 4 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION 6/17/63 Date MUFIO RAFTDI 9 Apartment 14 , 2005 North Talmadge Street Los Angeles 9 California advised that he was born PII at Ramalah Jordan He stated that he 18 currently employed at the R_ DS Sovetts Company 9 2744 East Eleventh Street , Los Angeles , California RAFIDI advised that he has met SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN twice He stated that he net SIRHAN initially in the year 1958 at an annual Arabic community picnic that was held at an unknown location in Los Angeles California- He stated that it 1s the policy Of the participants at this annual picnic to introduce thenselves and he recalls that the mother of SIRHAN introduced herseif and her sons at this affair_ He stated that SIRHAN was approxinately fourteen years 0f age at this time_ He stated that he particularly recalls this family inasmuch as one 0f the members of' the family 9 ADEL SIRHAN 9 entertained at the picnic by playing a guitar He recalled that later he had noted that ADEL STRHAN wa8 an entertainer at The Fez 9 1503 North Vermont Avenue Los Angeles California, which is an Arabic restaurant_ He stated that prior to getting married he spent frequent evenings at The Fez and developed a limited ac quain tance nith ADEL SIRHAN _ He stated that he next saw SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN at the annual Arabic picnic that was held in 1966 at a park located in the vicinity of Budlong Avenue and 153rd Street in Gardena, California He stated that on neither of these occasions did he carry on a conversation with SIRHAN _ He stated that he has not been to The Fez for approximately two years and does not know if ADEL SIRHAN is currently employed at that restaurant _ On 6/15/63_ at Los Angeles California File # Los_Angeles_56_156 548 by SA WALTER Lo HEYERLeb Date dictated 6/17/63 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are not to be distributed outside your agency_ ================================================== Page 5 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 RAFIDI stated ' that he has never heard any member of SIRHAN 18 family express any political opinion, either concerning the United States or their home land of Jordan_ RAFIDI stated that he came to the United States from Ramalah Jordan 9 in 1952, and while residing in Jordan did nox know the SIRHAN family nor has he any knowledge of the background of that family in Jordan _ He stated that he has heard from a source, which he cannot presently identify that one of the members of the SIRHAN family had acted as an intelligence dgent or SPy for Israel but that he is unable to identify which member of the family it was He stated that he does not know any of the erGociatcc 0f SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN or his brother ADEL SIRHAN and repeated that he has no knowledge relative to the political ac tivity of any merber of the SIRHAN family either in the United States or in Jordan 549 ================================================== Page 6 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/21/68 FAZ'L (N) INAYAT'KHAN , residence address 450 Gossacks Place_ 3 Glendora California, was interviewed at his place Or empp Loyment tne Burroughs Corporation, 460 Sierra Madre Villa Pasadena , California, where he 18 employed a5 a Sastens Anaiyst He was advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and then furnished the following voluntary information: INAYAT'KHAN stated he first met an individual known to him a8 SIRHAN SIRHAN in the Fall of 1966 at a private rebidence rented by OMAR RAMZI, which 18 located at 2345 Lilydale Street Log Angeles_ California He was shown 3 photograph of STRHAN SIRHAN dated June 5, 1968, and he stated this individual resembled the individual he knew as SIRHAN He further advised that the only other individual ne can recall being at the residence of RAMZI was an individual known to him a3 FAIZULLAH KHAN _ He advised that 2 small group of students met several times at the above residence and discussed general topics and al80 various political situations in the United States and Jordan, Israel, etc In this regard, he indicated that SIRHAN and others in this group were supporters of the Bath Party, 2 mid-East political party that i8 composed of members that support any government that is pro-Jordan, Syrian, etc., in philosophy and ideology. He advised that FAIZULLAH KHAN , residence addres8 unknown, was 2 native of Afghanistan; a graduate student ma in political science when he met him in the Fall of i988rinf He further advised that it was his understanding that KHAN was the President of the Student Association at California State College at Los Angeles and it was his further understanding that KHAN' s brother 18 the Prime Minister of Afghanistan On 6/20/68 at Pasadena , California File # LesAngeles 56-156 550 by SA RUSSELLLC , ANDERSON/cag Date dictated 6/21/68 Thi8 document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ================================================== Page 7 ================================================== 2 La 56-156 INAYAT KHAN advised that his impressio: of SIRHAN was that he wa8 a very impressionable individual In this regard, he related how during one group discussio at the previously mentioned residence_ 9 the topic of conversation centered around various committees of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives and the key positions certain rembers had 1n influencing policies 9 appropriations in such areas a8 foreign aid etc He stated that SIRHAN became quite agitated during this discussion and indicated how unfair and undemocratic the committee syster of our form of government is and can be if the wrong people control the power He advised that SIRHAN and others were pro-Jordanian; Syrian, in philosophy but they al8o do not believe the rulers in their native Lands were fighting with enough determination to regain their rightful land from the Israeli people. He advised that on numerous occasions_ 9 SIRHAN and the others in this group went to a beer tavern known as Garfanos,5/68 East Valley Boulevard, Los Angeles_ 3 California INAYA@' KHAN further advised in late 1966 or early 1967 2 the Arab Students Association held a bazaar at an Armenian Church in the City of Los Angeles , the exact location not recalled, and approximately 200 students , girl friend8 , etc, ; actended INAYAT IHAN concluded by stating he did not know SIRHAN STRHAN very well but he would describe him 28 2 young immature individual that was very impressionable 551 ================================================== Page 8 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64} FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/24/6_ FAIZULLAH KHAN , regidence address 944 East Stocker , Glendale, California, was adviged of the identity of the interviewing Agent and then furnighed the following voluntary information: KHAN advised he received his Bechelor of Arts_degree , I joring 1n political science from the Univergity of California at Los Angeles, in February, 1966_ He advised he i8 not an officer nor hag he ever been a member of the Arab Students Association He advised he kew very little about this organ- ization but knows thet 8 number of Arab , Syrian stude:lts are affiliated with thi8 organization but # nas a very Loose merbership. In this regard, he stated he Was unable to furnish an address or location for this as8ociation_ KHAN further advised that he 18 a netive of' Afghanistan and wa8 born at Kabul He advised that his brother' 8 father-in-La.] we8 formerly the Prime Minister of Afghanistan, KHAN was show a picture of SIRHAN SIRHAN take: the Los Angeles Police Department on June 5, 1968, and he stated thig picture vaguely resembled the individual he knew 88 SIRHAN . KHAN advised he met and talked with an individual kown to him a8 SIRHAN SIRHAN in the late Fall of 1966 and early Spring of 1967 at 8 residence rented by OMAR RAMZI , 2345 Lilydale Street Los Angeles , California_ He further advised he met SIRHAN at several political functions held at California State College, Los Angeles , when professors from California State College and others would lecture to gmal1 groups of students about various political issues . KHAN advised he believed that OMAR RAMZI wa8 an officer in the Arab Students Aggociation but he could not state this for a fact He advised the only other individuals he knew wa8 an individual by the name of SAMON LNU) and FAZ'L INAYAT'KHAN _ KHAN stated' he knew SIRHAN SIRHAN only a8 a fellow student although it wa s his understanding SIRHAN was a student at Pasadena College and he concluded by stating he did not to know nim well On 6/17/68 at Glendale, California File # Los Angeles 56-156 552 4 SA RUSSELL C. ANDERSON/cag 6/21/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It is the property of the FBI is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. by City get and ================================================== Page 9 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 Date 5/17/68 ROBERT GARNETT , 12421 Rush Street , El Monte , California 3 advised that he is a student at Solar Electronics , Monrovia, California 3 and a television repairman eiployed by P J MILIER, 10 Nortb First Avenue Arcadia California He stated his GARNETT said that he has met SIRHAN SIRHAN on approximatelf five or six occasions He said that he knew ADEL SIRHAN and SAIDELLAH SIRHAN and had built an amplifier for ADEL S0 that this amplifier could be used by ADEL for one of his rusical instruments . GARNETT stated that he did not know the exact address where he delivered the anplifier but that it was in Pasadena and it was the home cf ADEL SIRHAN 9 and that SIRHAN SIRHAN resided with ADEL . GARNETT stated that on one occasion he took his wife, CONNIE GARIETT , and their two children SHERILL and ROBERT , to this residence and that SIRHAN STRHAN was there His wife and children and SIRHAN watched the Harler Globetrotters basketball team on television and SIRHAN had taken the children to the kitchen to get then some ice crean_ GARNETT stated that he looked upon SIRHAI SIRHAN as a very sincere and quiet individual 9 that he never saw him with anyone other than his brother , ADEL , and knew him to be an employee 0f a health store 9 address unknown , in Pasadena 9 California GARNETT said that the only time he heard ADEL speak of his brother ADEL made the comment that "SIRHAN 1s tight with ni his money _ SIRHAN was aLso considered to be very close to nis mother GARNETT who stated he knew-ADEL SIRHAN for about one year 9 and "SAID 1I about two years related that he knew them because he had met them through an individual named BOB RITCHEY 9 a driver for his mother 8 company , RX Express Company , Henrietta Street, Pasadena , California GARNETT described SIRHAN SIRHAN as follows : Sex Male Height 5' 6/14/68 at Arcadia 2 California File # Los_Angeles_56-156 On 553 SA JOINN C _ 0' NEILL/sro Date dictated 6/17/58 by contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBL and is loaned to This document your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 298 7" ================================================== Page 10 ================================================== 2 CA 55-156 Weight 125 130 pounds Build Slender Haix Dark , curly Eyes Dark Complexion Dark Characteristics Prominent nose neat 554 ================================================== Page 11 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/17/68 CONTE GARNETT 12421 Rush Street, El Monte 9 Celifornia, advised that she is the wife of ROBERT GARWEL and resides witn ner husband and two children, SHERILL , age 4 and ROBERT, age 3, in El Monte 2 California. CONNIE GARNETT stated that she net SIRHAN SIRHAN on only one occasion approximately two or three months ag0 at the residence of ADEL SIRHAN and SIRHAN SIRHAN Howard Street, Pasadena California She also gaid that she knew SAIDELLAH SIRHAN brother II of SIRHAN SIRHAN 9 and she believed that "SAID as he is nicknamed 9 was once a driver for her mother-in-law' $ company_ RX Express_ 5 298 Henrietta Street, Pasadena , California. CONNIE GARNETT related that the one time she met SIRHAN SIRHAN she considered him to be a perfect gentleman She > her busband , ROBERT and her two children had gone to the Howard Street address to deliver an amplifier which her husband had built for ADEL SIRHAN 9 brother 0f SIRHAN SIRHAN. She 9 SIRHAN SIRHAN 9 and the children watched the Harlen Globetrotters basketball team on television and then SIRHAN took the children to the kitchen to then both some ice cream CONNIE GARNETT considered him a very quiet and polite person _ She stated that they stayed approxinately one hour to two hours and then left She did not have any extensive conversation with SIRHAN SIRHAN as were viewing the basketball game She knew of no associates of SIRHAN _ CONNIE GARNETT described SIRHAN SIRHAN as follows : Sex Male Height 5' 5" t 5' 6" Weight 125 pounds Build Slender Hair Curly , dark Complexion Dark Characteristics Very neat dresser 6/14/68 El Monte , California File # Lo8_Angeles_56-156_ On at 555 SA JOH C . 0 ' NEILL/sro Date dictated 6/17/58 by This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBL: It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are 'not to be distributed outgide your agency. get they ================================================== Page 12 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/24/68 DONAID LLOYD RICE , 1929 12th Street , Apartment A, Santa Monica, California, telephone 395-5380, was interviewed at his place of enp loyment 9 Technology Service Corporation, Suite 201, 1255 Lincoln Boulevard 9 Santa Monica, where he has been emp loyed on a part-time basis since March 1968 PII RICE , who furnished his date of birth a3 PII stated that he became acquainted with STRHAN BISHARA STRHAN during the summer session of at Pasadena City College RICE said hinself , at that time resided at 1880 East Villa 5 Pasadena , California 2 and that he believes SIRHAN lived in the vicinity of Washington street; however he did not know the specific residence address , ha visited the residence on only one Jccasion RICE stated that SIRHAN was Jf assistance to hin in his study of the Arabic language and that they had only a 'slight social association other than contacts at school RICE said he considered SIRHAN to be a serious , intelligent , It "student type person , that he did not have any knowledge concerning his political interests , background or associates RICE said that he met SIRHAN orginally through one JOHN STRATHMANN and that he could suggest no other associates or acquaintances of SIRHAN _ RICE commented that his last contact with SIRHAN was in August or September 1966_ 3 that he has no current knowledge concerning him, his activities or associates He further stated that from limited knowledge of SIRHAN he would have n? basis to pass judgement or firm opinion, which might bear in nis being 3 suspect in the KENNEDY assault RICE said that he could suggest no motivation or reason and that he would have no knowledge of any tvpe 3f conspiracy which SIRHAN might have been a part of RICE advised that prior to entering Pasadena City College in 1966, he had been discharged from the U.S_ Army , where he served fron 1964 to 1966, Army Serial Number 55766560_ On 6/20/68 at Santa Monica, California File # Iog_Angeles_56-156 556 SA WILLIAM D COSTIGAN/mmc/kaf 6/20/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendationg nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 1, 1966 ne; ving ================================================== Page 13 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6114/68 Mrs HZLZN GARBEN, Aseistant Librarian, Santa Catalina Branch, Pagadena Public Library, 999 East Washington Boulevard, advised that she hae known SIRHAN S IRHAN 08 3 patron of this library 8ince about 1363 She noted that in 1963, he wa attending Pagadena City Coilege and would stop by after classes to study. She a180 noted chat after 3 per iod of time, he became interested in reading the various newspaper: and per iodicals kept at the library. 8 IRHAN impregsed her a8 3 very quiet, courteous voung man who was trying to learn eome thing through reading_ Occasionally, he would check out a book but on most occasions he would read about current events in the periodicals_ She did not know what newspaperg or per iodicals or books he did read She knew absolutely noth objectionable about S IRHAN . She pointed out that she never saw S IRHAN outs ide of' the library. She al80 stated that S IRHAN a180 had one or two brothers who would c ome into the library, but she did not become acquainted with ther and did not Icnow their name: She could not recall anything specific that he might have said to her except he once told her that he came from Jordan Mrs GARBEN stated that she wa s horrified when she heard S RRHAN S IRHAN wa $ accused of aesa88inating Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY She said that this was hard to believe because he impressed her a8 being such 3 nice young man She a180 recalled that pose two years ago ehe introduced S IRHAN S IRHAN to a Jordanian 1ibrarian who was in this country studying our methods of operat ing a library_ She stated that she did not recall the name of this individual S IRHAN S IRHAN and this person talked only briefly, and she never saw them together aga in She stated that she could not recall ever seeing S IRHAN talking to any other patrong Mrs_ GARBZN furnighed the following items : Pagadena Public Library Card in the name of 5 JRHAN '8 IRHAN , 696 East Howard Street, Pasadena , California ; reference FRANC ISCO "THPTH, 6g1 Eagt Howard Street On 6/13/68 at Pasadena California -File?8 Angeles 56-156 7 557 SA'e JOHN C ARLT and by WILLIAM P CRALIFORD JCA:ink Date dictated6L14/68_ This document containg neither recommendationg nor conclusions of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI and i8 loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ing ibly ================================================== Page 14 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 A slip of paper reflect ing a 82.56 fine in the name of S IRHAN S IRHAN , due date April 28, return date 16, 1964_ 9 for the following books : II C30375 t History of' the Near East by HARRY ELLIS ; fT C30376 "Heritage of the Desert by SYDNEY N_ FISHER ; If c39377 "The Middla East M C30378 "History of Balkan Peninsula Remarks on backs ide ident not wor king ingurance M a few months ag0 _ In addition, Mrs_ GARBEN advised that S IRHAN S IRHAN 8 sister AIA S IRHAN has a Pasadena Public Library card with the following informat ion thereon: Addrexs 696 East Howard Pasadena 9 California Reference FRANC ISCO TAPIA East Howard Street Pagadena 9 California She also pointed out that hie brother , MUNIR S IRHAN, hag a library card with the Pasadena Public Library with the following information thereon: Address 1647 North Lake Pasadena 3 California Reference FRANC IS LE CLAIR 1645 North Lake Avenue Pasadena , California Mrs GARBEN etated that at this time she could not recall any other informa tion concerning S IRHAN S IRHAN _ However she pointed out that JOSEPHIN CUNNINGHAM , who 18 a180 an assietant librarian at this location, a180 kew S IRHAN S IRHAN. 558 May "Shor- "Acc 631 ================================================== Page 15 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/17/68 JOSEPHINE CUNNINGHAM , Assistant Ilbrarian, Santa Ca talina Branch, Pasadena Public Library, 999 East Washington Boulevard advised that she became acquainted with STRHAN SIRHAN while he was attending Pasadena Ci College She stated that she believed this was in 1963 _ SIRHAN impressed her as a very nice courteous young man and she kew absolutely nothing derogatory concerning his character. She noted that she knew none of his associates , She advised that at-first SIRHAN SIRHAN came In to study his homework, but later he became interested In the newspapers and periodicals and spent a great deal of time reading them Also on occasion, he would check out a book from the library _ She could not recall what kind of books newspapers or periodicals SIRHAN SIRHAN read She recalled that several months ago he came to the library and informed her that he had been injured while tralning a horse SIRHAN SIRHAN never discussed with her any of his political ideas, nor did he ever mention to her anything concerning Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY the Israeli Arab June 1967 War, or any other current events She stated that she was a loss to explain he reportedly a8sa8s1nated Senator KENNEDY _ She could furnish no other pertinent information concerning this matter. On 6/13/68 at Pasadena , Ca liforia File # Ios_Angeles_ 56_156 559 SA 's WILLIAM P CRAWFORD and JOHN C ARLL/ jca/kaf 6/14/68 by Date dictated This docunent containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of tho FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI &nd i8 loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outgide your agency- ty at why ================================================== Page 16 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU .OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/22/68 Father PAUL ROMLEY , pastor at St _ Nicholas Orthodox Cathedral, 2300 West 3rd Street, Los Angeles , California, advised a5 follows: He is familiar with SIRHAN SIRHAN and the other members of his family , but he knows very little about then The only contact he had with the STRHAN farily Was when he gave Services for the STRHAN girl that died She was 29 wnen ahe died . Arter tne runeral services , ghe wae buried at Forest Lawn Cenetery, Glendale , California Her name on the death certificate was listed a8 AIDA SIRHAN MENNELL The girl had been secretly married t3 a man named MENNELL , possibly from Palm Springs , California 9 and her family did not know this until he showed up at the funeral He has not seen SIRHAN SIRHAN since the of that funeral_ In the short time that he knew the he never heard him express strong feelings against Israel Ever since the Arab Iaraeli war of 1967, St_ Nicholas and other churches in Los Angeles have been active in obtaining food and clothing and sending then ta the refugees_ At no time did SIRHAN involved in this activity. Father ROMLEY had nj other information about the SIRIIAI fami 6/21/68 Los Angeleg 9 California File #L38 Angeles 56-156 On at 560 SA LLOYD D JOHNS ON and SA DAVID R PENDER /DRP /dmr 6/21/68 by Date dictated This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBL: It is the property of the FBI &d is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency_ day boy , get ly . ================================================== Page 17 ================================================== 1 LA 56-156 JoS/sro INVESTIGA TION CONC ERNING WOMAN IN WHITE DRESS_WITH BLACK_POLIA_DOTS It was previously reported that curing an interview of SA NDRA SERRANO by Newe Conmentator SANDOR VANOCUR at the Aubaesador Hotel 9 Los Angeles at approrirately 1:30 a m 5 June 5 , 1968_ 9 follow the shooting of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY 8 ehe claimcd that immedia after the shooting a woman in a white dreez with black polka dote ran from the Anbaegador Hotel _ SERRANO claimed that this woran 8aid, shot him 7 We 've Ii shot him 561 ing tely "Wc Tve ================================================== Page 18 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev; 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date 6/25/68 Captain HUGH BROWN , Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) , on June 25_ 9 1968 furnished a transcript of a recorded interview of SANDRA SERRANO , 2212 North Marengo 9 Altadena California ) which took place on June 20 , 1968 , and wa: conducted by Sergeants ENRIQUE HERNANDEZ and THOMA $ STRONG , JR . , LAPD_ On 6/25/68 at Los Angeles 9 California File #Lo8 Angeles 56-156 by SA EMETT B e DOHERTY/ero Date dictated 6/25/68 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclus of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency 562 Jions ================================================== Page 19 ================================================== INTERVIEW WITH SANDRA SFRRANO 563 ================================================== Page 20 ================================================== ZRANSCRIPT Qv ZA2C TECORPED INZEEVIEW Cp SAIDRA SEFRANQ 2212 NORTH VATIZNGO,ALIADZNA 2 ZAZZN IN RCQM POE B, PEBKER CENZER THRSDAY , JUNE 20, o68,3013 10.15 PEL. 3 QUESEIQVED BY : 8G3. JERWATDEZ #T1O1 , 8. Wa 8. VNIP 'ERAZSCRIDED BY : STELL €: ROEH INEERNAL ATYAIRS DIVISION ASSISTED BE : 802 0 ENFIGE HERNANDEZ S#1; THCIS STRONC , 3R, #5972, 8.0.8. UNIF 5 6' 7 S87 , FERNANDEZ : 1 Ijert to into sone 02 che 8 prellminary 8tu22 0 Nowe ,| my name , 28 you IOw , 18 Sgt. Eank 9 Hernandez 4 We 1n Bcom B en %be Ecurth EZeer er the 10 Police Adninistration Building: and I 7 1 talking t0 Mlos 11 Sandra Serranoe 'e time 18 10815 Pm. The date i8 June 12 20thlg 1968. Andnew, 8andxa, I'm going 80 esk you {Ome: 13 questiong just 80 we can Ghe Gru8 fact8 On the previous 14 atatements '&he% ycu made berore . You knoit that you shoulon' 15 be efzaid, and % hope 're not 9 Tne whole thing that FiC 16 er8 trying &0 resolve hera 18 iinat aotu8lly bappened &t &he 17 Anbaasador Hotel Oi June &he &he evening that Senator 18 Kennedy W38 e86a83inaced; and % Wcll undergtand, 88 Jou have 19 explained 80 "C , that %hl: #hing 138 magnified Quc c2 20 proportion Mitl1 people that you 8aid me8sed you around up 21 there. 80 &f you Will tell Ie the truth sbout [hat happened 22 and I could &8k jov queetions_-_ 23 Ub hvh, 24 -~and you can an3wer mC , But 1 Would retber 25 Steri Mith JoU telling me &he cruth, jusd the {ruth, juds 26 [hek heppened %hat niehd_ Nci, you went %Q thhe Ambassador Form 618 (R-3-4) 564 ger (78 ger you #ah, ================================================== Page 21 ================================================== 2 Zotel With 8cn? Gther redple; 48 'Ghat rigbt? 2 Right 0 3 Ubo did yov gQ with? 4 @rcE bpote. 5 Vill epeal 6 Greg Abhoste Irane Cnevez, Ceorge Fredericko_ 2 end 7 Micheel Churebalc (phonotie) e 8 Ckey. 9 Petchett . 10 Pench?et? 11 Fatobedt, 12 Oksy , now When "JCU arrived &t tne botel, aid Jou 13 8ll 8pllt 8nd €o %0 @eperate locations? 14 Yep . 15 You Qid. Did Jou eventually wind tp in che main 16 ballrcon ~ 17 U bl6 18 2502 8h0 hctel 0 Bnd I undergtad you had Ecnes 19 thing %o dring %hare? 20 Ye8 . 21 Hbat d10 ycu Grinkp 8andra? 22 L ecrewvirlver 0 23 4 Eorewdrivcr, Jua:; Ono sereidriver? 24 Yeaho 25 And Gometina during the cour8? 6f the evening: 26 yow @ai4 @bout; 11830, went Cu&; to tbe atalrway? Form 618 (R-3-4} 565 21p? you Jeu ================================================== Page 22 ================================================== 3 @n J1zho, cuiGeidco 2 Qutojdee End Jou 830 Coan On that sceirway? 3 Yeelg I &hink I di26 4 Olsay' , now , Me heve starement& here that obvicualy 5 8r8 incorrect %b3t pecple &cok Docoibly beccucs you thought 6 yoil Were being mioquoied, ror Metcver 2eaponb , but * think 7 Ne hove 80 rectlfy tho8a Stetorente. Number 27< 8 Weil 097 9 Parcon Te? 10 Eotn @bcbenent Iere given bub they Mere gLven 11 aster people mca08d r3 38 0 ` 12 How Mej #hat? 13 Mell, Beupld peoplea Wezz , I Gon'€ Iow bow 80 14 827 100 'Ency-"just Z12 011 &he Ccrotion &nd evcrything 15 1fke--I w88 8urpoaed tC know EOre , than I krewd e That 10 Ehat; 16 26 Oicuntad #0, I Wo8 Bwddoged t0 IoloM morc %ban I Jcwa 17 I Undcratend, Well, t0 make 18 S1mple9 no, Zire 18 of &ll, Birc. Lmbrove , 1 #hinls, {0 8 percon &hat Jou han 19 dexczibed Dreviouolt 80 ncVirg tallcd Wich Jou? 20 Un June 21 Bnd &0 Zou remcmbor [" you %old M6 Ambrcse? 22 %e8a 1 told bin %hot 1 bcerd tne people DaJ9 23 "Ne cboc hlmg " or elact hlI, I 02 somernlnga And I 24 rezembcr tolling him that I hod Occn thojo pcoplo Cn tbes- 25 cn %ke #tBiSMayo 26 Zh kilo Form 618 (F-3-4) 566 #en3y ================================================== Page 23 ================================================== Ard 1f *et wad 3mportant cr Roteca 2 Uhi Iuhe 3 303CU Irow , do you Vuppoce tbe: 16 hee enytning- F 4 8omothing ebou; tbat %here wG? Bome people Cut tncre %b3o 5 nobcdy knen abouc 18, end $0 seoned obvioue, woisd 80 18 6 eice nobody Ionc1g about; 18 Wicn I went in, 7 Dld you deboribe thlo pexson 08 being--onc cf the 8 pecple 80 being & fenale Jn & Mnite &r388? 9 rgb, 10 You told him &hiv End thcr Bonctim? Laker; I 11 shink, you hcerd &hc kid--fomg krid &onbicn comething ebout 12 8 Wnite dre3s &nd pollia 80c8v~ 13 Rizhbs 14 -+18 #het r1glt? 15 Righta 16 Was thic Mhere Jou Go8 %c Jdea or whcre 8cm?-~ 17 1 dcn"% lnow , 18 ~~gomebody #lequoted you? 19 1 don % kTowo I &ucbBa 2 don '$ Ion . 20 ZOW cerlier: al809 Jou Baid-v0r previcug %b 21 tonight, Goncbodj had Guctcd ycv 03 scying thai you bad Eebn 22 this 8206 Mcman; who yow DS1 Nith the winlte drees, tbet thenl 23 wa8 dcgcribed 20 8 Mhite Cre8s with black polka dote &nd 24 wich, in Soct, waa Only & Wnfte drc8; tbat you Eaw? 25 Un Iuh. 26 Bgic , Ic tbsr tight? Form 618 (R-3-4) 567 Ubinl? Okay 9 ================================================== Page 24 ================================================== %eo 2 And then ccaebody tloguoted or #teted that Yci 3 bac 682d %het #hls @4zl hod told you 80 %n2 eff8c8, "Wa have 4 shot hin?" 5 Un ku. Righo . 6 And vou seid, "Wro i8-wtbo did you shoct?" Enc 18 7 shat; thcy %old youp "Ecnncdy. Mow this 18 elsc-~ 8 #~1 didn"% ey-w 9 7 ~Cut O2 proportion bcre? 10 Rleb: . 11 I3 t6 right? 12 Righe . 13 Bned in erzest that Jou have told te previcusly 14 15 tnat tli8 person tolC jou "he @hot Kennedy" 0r 15 8hcf; Iennedy" ; 10 8140 141216? 16 comcthing 0r 8omctbing abou; snoocin8 17 Eenedy, yealle 18 Ne2l; also before you hed 8tat8d the: you bad 19 noein {oine sheke? 20 I nevc? Ocid I hcerd 8ho8c0 21 Ycv never 8&i0 &n3t. Nell, row) sonebcoy quoted 22 you 88 Baying &het you had hcand Jhote. 23 I nepe; 82id I bccrd ebocp. 24 25 1 bcer0 beclfizes c2 3 cbr? and I hcw %ncy Nere 26 bealtsizs: from 0 Car, I }ow they Ieron' & Eurcbate& Form 618 (R-3-4) 568 Yor "they 02n, No2 Eo? Gsy . ================================================== Page 25 ================================================== Sou kow for 0 fect Ghoy were not gunshot8? 2 3 JON 16& 3 Oey, 2160, Mhere wa8 %t that you: B@w tbe walter: 4 tne waiter--#he kid 830 wab 0 Waiter in the kitehen? Where 5 did jou see him &nd heer hiv #baccmont? 6 Upstalrc. 7 In %hc Embassy Rocu? 8 U1 hulla 9 Ckcay , rOW $ had you beroro 081d that you hadn 10 bees U *0 the Zalanwy Rocm? 11 I {Jacr%& wntzl thev %ookc me 29 9 12 [32612 #ke police tcok Jow 13 Uncil #8 policc tcok ms upa 14 And 10 tbot mban yor hcard tne kid 8ay something? 15 Bignoa 16 About; 3 MOien ? 17 Dlght;e 18 In & Nnitc polke doc Crens? 19 Blght . 20 Q 8o thse'0 tez? #cat thing @bout-~ 21 I 608060 1 don ! & Icw a 22 ~~the polka Co}; Gre39, that Nhere 18 Neg 23 ecericd? 24 I 54c850 Well, 1 tbint 08 becauga thot Na8 tbe 25 they tool m2 dom %0 &c inbacsedor, and @brocc Said, 26 "Nhcn did Jou toll Jle 68 1ab 8 polke dov dza83?" Ana % 62i_ Form 618 (R-3-4} 569 my up? 0h1a 98 day ================================================== Page 26 ================================================== "1 don % kpov; Imncn did I *ell '8 0hat cutside 2 in #he porking 1os"? Rteab, 1 tblnk: 80; Okaye " 3 Nell, rogazeless &r @nct 1a8 #ald before, Dow we 4 Jazow #bat 10 was 2 &rl in & Wnite Cre8a thet yoU Batt? 5 Rigbt, 6 And tnzn yCu hcerd &he kid up in the Zmbasey Room 7 _ afcer ehe police.took JCu up tnerc, you hcard bin SAy 8 scmething Sbout & Ezl Mith & black pclka doc cr White dress 9 wigl black polla Got8? 10 Rlehc . 11 Enat '€ tho 81286 timo %oU EaN 6r heesd erything? 12 Righbo 13 Abcuc polke docca NoW, ju8z 80 Clarity yonr 14 scetemcnt uhich 1# now & %Grilehful ct3tement;; rign6? 15 Righe . 16 Is #bef Mhen 8ai0 eetlier thati Jou }ed 8ee0 17 8 Nomin coming dowm the statz8 Eitb enother %90, 88 8 @38t02 18 Of Zect Jou Saw 8 loa cf people coming down the Steiro. 19 Abcut now neny people did JQu @cc I7cule Jou QGys juat 20 roughly? 21 I don f koN- 'hxee cr rcur 22 Cculd 16 beva bocn more than fQuT? 23 Coulan!% bave been more '#liar five , 1 KcW, 24 Couldn' & bcve pcaeibloy bevc bcon soro than Ziveo 25 412 right. Oiy. 4100 , I think Jou se84 26 bonetning ehout you Galled hcne efter you had hegra? Form 618 (R-3-4) 570 Jou?" "Rabn >ou ================================================== Page 27 ================================================== Rlghta. 2 Aboue Kennedy bblng chos? 3 Rlght . 4 Q DJ JoU remember er60r you 8ot con-enede conbact 5 {zieh Derent8, do ycu remcmber telling #neu anything 6 ebout) or 1o6 telling thea Aiything about kowing Kho hed 7 8hot 0p enything? 8 1 didn 9 Did Jou Iention Anyehing ebout %that %0 them? 10 No a 11 Ckey: Sandre, just fO tnc puzpoge Of poasible-~ 12 I just col0 tbem that ho Mos Bhot, 13 Zeeh, &nst he %88 shot? 0 14 That nobody Iiew ebeut 18. 1 think I mentioned 15 that t0 them that nobody kner thot he 1a9 shot, or Bomething 16 I wonder 1f yow cen tell Sondy,. 12 [ill, 17 In your Ox2 IPrGs, Ihy 10 19 that tic #bing NBA magnizfed In 18 your mind to thc proporticn Ien Jou firc} Iep eithber 19 snrough televigicn cr %hrouzh the netspaper nedia? 20 Io everythirg? 21 To everything &bat YQu 881. 22 Righta 23 wncn Mes te Ire} tiuc that you knew that this 24 Wa;' 0 pack 02 istruths, &nd gomebody eloe hed micquosed Gr 25 princed? 26 Nhen I went Gol to the police @tatiCn, Folm 618 (R-3-4) 571 Jour '6 No? Jou Te , ================================================== Page 28 ================================================== Wnleh ore, tnls police Btetion? 2 Retperto 3 At ` Rempart, ckayc What dld baar &} Fampart 4 thati you knem W3p nob &ruc On tna" d386? 5 Wnat did 1 ne:z? 6 Yealz, Whgt did you: hegr? Sou lrav tn1e 19 7 scartzng to megnify, rinht? 8 2 Wag already reanified 0 9 Ic Rab already magnified &1 tbat tine? 10 Jeaits 16 Mas alreedy megnificd. 11 Nist Ncre tncy gaying? 12 Nell, Watle I %ee back ehere were abki1g 13 Qucp8ions: yes. Yeah; 18 Wa0 & ra1 in 8 walting 88280 Yeeh 14 yeah, yeah, you JOH--I don't--fifty people--I don'& kSOf, 15 eround fiftya-#ctually thcre Nsre about; Eive--fQUT, you kom 16 people NcIC aSking %o Questions && %hc 8338 tine; and &l1 I 17 Icn th2t 123 Thon % NaS Bitting tbere, I loncw Irom Mnet; I 18 geid-~Nell, YoW put {hie and &10 togptber, &nd Jou 8 ve # 19 18. "Icave mc elone nom &nd %hen 1e can &11 60 #Ow. 20 ret '8 160 21 didn"& You ccrrect #bom &0 tnat #iue , Sandy? 22 El I Gon & LroWo ASter--mcll, G10 r30bon) 80 I 23 didn ' tu6 t0 Zook Zike 0 fccl, Idhich I look likc Dowe 24 Anotkcr 3ee3on, becsuec Gverybcey figurcs--everzbody tbinks-| 25 thev Oay ; "Zeehl, 1c8'8 6o; 8236'0 rlohia " Zcu know . Kno;- ~ 26 I NG0 CStcing '@ncro heoring Ccscriptionn d Ceacripblong Form 618 (R-3-4) 572 you tey Bot Nby ================================================== Page 29 ================================================== 10 of chcse pecple) 0f tllese peoplc, c2 tbeee pecple . dled, 2 no; {iat'& Nr3k I # %upr-e0 %0 bspe eeen, Did I 880 3 tnie NOnan? SZou krnom, 1 thougho I wes Buppesed t0 868 morc 4 than-~morc tien I &1d. I Ne8 zcally going to belzeve that. 5 Ic mezced Dc up, that'8 811, &nd I figred, Nell, they I8t 6 kow mhat they're dclpE-I mean, ar8 polices-ertcr @l1 7 thcy hsve *o know #hafi tncy re doing, end I juct Eigurcd 8 they knet Wiat they Were doing: 'Eat'0 3210 9 Sandy , just Eor Iny Oan personal edificatlon, Lowf 10 wnen 1 telked #0 you carlier %b18 evcning: in front 6f 11 Fo1Y Hunt Maggie, why didn'& you bber t63l me 60 t13ti? 12 Becauwe I Ioem I w38 going t0 tell Jow 10c8r0 13 Diq ycu knom you Weze Going %0 &ell mv 12*er? 14 Yes 0 15 Do you %ecl better HOM; Mogfze? 16 Biy naie 10 nct; Maggieo 17 1 Jc3n Sendy? 18 Yes 38 nO0 Nell, yee, I fcel better, In %ac8, 19 Jou Iow; Sinelly I Go#--yow Irrot comebody &nd that'8 ixhy I 20 diCn '& Wiant 1% %o bother m2 Anymore because I knet that 18 21 wculd kecq growing &nd growing &nd Erowingu Eke* '8 wy #hal 22 day I Co* 60 Eilled Wleb cterteing Ovcr &bczc @1d #hcy 23 Vouldn $ cven l0t E2 sall #0 Enybody, #k8*'8 Fnc: killed E0. 24 Ency Wouldn' % even i00 J8 tall %0 anybody: 8nd % told &hcm 25 thhe? I Nented to talk &0 pomebody. 'Ihcy Toulen' & cvcn Jes 26 re-_ubm, 1217; chcn 0u& %Wo &nd 616 togetter I flgured, Mekl, Formi 618 (R-3-4) 5t3 Q, meybe Gey T0n23 € ================================================== Page 30 ================================================== 12 3Et Iow Mnat "tacy 'r: dolnga There %36 be gomcthing 2 Cut Of thiei , you Imor. I rcel bed for &he %8ct tnat I 3 didn to-hat % didn '% Stand up 1n @he beginning ard SBy 4 cometnlug, and I abould bavee 5 Dut you 070 standing up now &nd saving the trrth2 6 Tich J8-- geela, buc 10'8 not thec I--tho [hole thing waa 8 li0} tbat'8 1t , and 1 don'% know jeblch fellow thcs I -I 9 really, to tell Jou te #futn, 1 don!& reglly Scel 16 Ne8 IWy 10 Sevlee 5iat Mhate~that'& %hgt %an in that Intervlew}' tape, 11 A31 rlgho. 12 ~I dida'% ever Ioom--I didn' & even Iow I Nas On 13 televieione Zo %ell Jou #ho #ruti, I d10'0 even krcw 160 14 Rereibez tnen youo-I understand %at yCU were 15 bafore BCm? People: 8ome %V coneres Gr Bomcching, and you 16 wore icoking & Bcize polka dot 0r3pbe8; remomber &hat? 17 Ecn D 18 didn' $ JQu correct 1t tnen? Nben JCl Fere 19 being whow tbe polkra dos-# 20 Beceuse Overybcuy W93 reldng %a nerwo1s 21 Everybcdy 1a8 talding you nervoue? 22 4 Jeall; Jou %ncw they Gldn"% heve Btuf2 &nd we Mare 23 dotn there, Com there 8 long #ime &d doing noxhing, Juat 24 dcin€ nothing &nd #na8 Stuffc And, Jov Imow, beceuce thej 25 caze &rd plcked %e wp 86 worr @round 138l5, end % never Eo% 26 nome until 011 o'olocko Dn2d we: dido % &0-anyching dlpg Form 618 (R-3-4) 574 they Pp bhy ================================================== Page 31 ================================================== 12 thet #imc, enything: &nd @ncn Ibea I finally wented to ta2k 2 alcut %09 thay woblon & cven Jec me #ell #0 anybcdy-o"tabs 3 her horco-talte her hot? , " 8ne RCx Jou610 Bupnosed &0 dc %h1f0 4 nOM Jou %0 Duppojen %0 @Q '8h20, didn'& ever Imow 74iat 5 ahey tere dojng bebueen tremgeltes. 0t'5 wnot killcd 386 6 'net'8 Mbyontllat'& Miai 1+ did t0 Ea 18 that I'n not uever 7 Eoing &0 S%J enytbing Znyrore fnd thet'3 Nen ff Im So1n3 8 t0 hove 8 hasele totween #Jeclf wcther t0 Bay enything 0r 9 no29 beceuse JCtk"-yCu gay Eoitl1lag 2 enQ %& turns 01t *0 "T0 10 ccmotning else, Snd JCl locw 10 bjud 18*8 0O involved 0r 10*8 11 Gq Debsed Up that; you Can ' & 8Ey anyching: Yon really Zeol 12 you cen'& 893 enything, &nd JoU }OM JoW%e Suppcacd %0 BJy 13 8crcthinge but; %'1 toll Jou Mhat, ardl I dout+ knows-I 14 @uc3b everyoouj Zcels #hat FAJ, a58 I }iad 0f nezyous; 15 that'8 0110 Beadi % #fr5 18 0e8 &a fir8* @Cp'& Eeulto I 16 Neilt %0 Put &he blare 04 #Omcbody: 1 MZnt E0 ghifo %t I3oz 17 Ic &r comechlrga 18 Eezz mar~elz me @bQult; tbaf; ebou;; the firot Cop. 19 Botbing--Jothing--nothlng Like tbe cre 1 howc 20 %nst flrai policcrion thet ycu taltcd #o? 21 A "o firat policeran tiat; I #Alked t0 was Ambroze, 22 And }e tolled t0 %0 About 85c kid Sollcwing ?, 1 rerabar 23 "abt; "zicha "ivhes &0 you sce, 8 bunch c2 pjople following 24 jou" ? 1 0310, Kby R--Jech, 1 Gccb 80o" Zcaha you 25 Iooi now Gvorathing NE0.4 %4c2lC0 Evozytning 1ew in & deze. 26 1 #olo bim vhm % 1C in 3 do30, &nd 1 Row % MA0 Jn 0 Quec. Forni 618 (R-3-4) 575 Ebey 606 "on: ================================================== Page 32 ================================================== 33 Ule nitna 2 Be03uce JQu Gan {-~b2c3use Inve bcen in Iront 62 3 Ew cjneres Iefore; and %ow Jew when the cacres er0 02 Jou 4 beceuse yCu 63n $ecl that tcste and $ Gidsz '& feel anyening 5 5 #ell, &t Jeest you 're belng & decont, nonaet 6 woman rlght; now; erc} Jolp %ou I Ot? Yedy J08, yef. 1 don % &bink I m Vesy dccent. 8 Nell, ycu &7e bezng decent, Yon 'r8 cellics 8h8 9 trub0 nowe 10 Yeeh, 2 8 MEI 0 You JCow Wbat I fluink? 8038 11 changcs Bhould bo mad8< 12 Fo c3Brple? 13 0 Nell, Zor eromple, firo#, When !orebocy 8803 14 8orctning, Jet tncm GornI m8an, JQu don ' %rodan '& fz8d 15 eomethlng to &hem Fhich I roclly tpugit; 129 being done %0 16 080 17 Fcd fnforretion about Gke pcoplc? 18 Yeoily end Jcu kow pien scmebcdy Dee8 #Oletning, 19 koe? &ncm Awey Erou ctller pcople mho have Seen 48. Pecauje 20 yox Con'% }ncio-JOt don % loow m#bot bAopcuB, anydhlng that 21 Ehil? wnat %Cu %elly #ought aceing €omctningo Z under~ 22 aband &3c, '%8128 Jon know &h2m evcrvtning Mo9 Quice mezzed 23 1p: ond Jou lolow Jo1 ca1!& De &0 Crcstel, 3ou kQwg end 211 24 tiat; #tuff; but 1 really think--I Mean_I'n really SQrzy thaf 25 10 larconed- 0 26 Sur0, 1 tlnk ICB? pecple cre Dotr: end thst > Formi 618 (R-3.4) 576 0 # ================================================== Page 33 ================================================== U 1 hink &1& we know &hat #9're trying %0 &0 the best Job Me 2 GBn In thle Ginal invesrigatica Cn thza. thingo 3 Yeaha And Jox ce 211 the mB-hours that ve 'ze CoinEo- 5 ~~Xcll; Yo1 bec another thing: too, you knor tket 6 18 thst that; Other newspeper came Out Iith thab goreboay ele 7 beG #een 1t, 8nd then I -and ten I Been i% on television 8 Ecncbcdy elee hed 8201 tie Elr} in tbe Inice Gro30, &nd I 9 thouzht %sybe %hat; Glrl 81d have comcthing % do with 18, 10 Pou kenQW & I kept thinking t0 Yiygelf, maybe-= BN1 Jou kow? 868 6 11 Dut Kicn you $aw tho 'diffcrence was &hae &he 12 cre You &37 138 & Nhite d33c8 &nd &hc on? #hatc fomcbody 80y8 13 that Pa 1933 & whlte dr8a Nith black pola 4ots, an~ 14 ##boucena 8t1M 7 15 ~cand redornlean Cr Wbat &81 S2M, Jou knon M9 16 juz& want 88 tbe fact:9 and te fects tn3t Jou Daw Were 17 pertly, appercnblys Wera migquoted, O3 gieprinbed, 03 18 miobelevised %0 the 80t12l trua Zcct8? 19 Vell, shey can'% Jiave bccr Zatelctibed bccbuce 20 1 Gaid &1880 1 Qctully %eid that. Mone of them-~ 21 Mnat %o-" 22 ~~I dcn"% koNa Sorewbere I heard 184 I don % 23 Joow 1 %210 109 but 1# junt; fitted, Ten 1t nappened 24 #nat 1+ 011 fitted in9 I cculon & understend i0, Jou 25 KoMe Tben; 7eah, 1 Zcall tnought: therc Wa3 Borething 26 behind 100 I War 8coreC: 1 tell Jou I te been cc0r20 a11 Form 618 (R-3-4) 577 ' bib tey {c& my ed ================================================== Page 34 ================================================== 15 thla &imeo 2 Cksy, 1ell, don 1 6 bc Acared enynore; ckay? 1 m 3 going %0 Stop thl8, 8nd f 'm going * bc right back. Ily 4 going '%6 casch my cell, and zm Colng &0 jee 12 your euntee 5 jcur {untie' 0 beelc . 6 A pere &i &he 7 Q Well, I &hink thcy tcok her up for 8 colce or 8 something; or cofzee Or comething. 6ubt bear Nith Da for 9 & ccuple O2 minuces; 10 Well, Dlease 80ll me [ev'8 Going o happen 03 11 ocmething- 12 Jes: ExGuse 2ue 2 accond, Ckray? 13 %ou cculd bave lerg %ha%o I wouldn % lcor & 1&. 14 1 @on you wouldn"% but I junt Mand t0 look 06 15 18 Xybelf. 16 Short Gime lapse heze of abcu: three 01 €cu? 17 minates} 18 Ckay, Sendy, they %ell I8 you heve EQt & 'celent? 19 really? 20 Dor %18 purpopca 62 th? Incervicm row, Ia 'jr 21 conpleting thid intorvLcw 9t 10 35 PaTR& 22 It'8 nct Qn, 23 10;35 Pe@. $ end evoryching you have told mc Dow 24 1J #ne 'Gruth that; JoU remamber? 25 Eignt . 26 An-_ C7 Form 618 (R-3-4) 578 go? Cl2 0n, ================================================== Page 35 ================================================== 16 Now c3n % &cll &1 these people tnat? 2 Whbet Me'ro Golcg &0 dxudy 2 10 %0 not Gjing 3 t0 tcll youP Qunt Erthing, 1 %ninc we shculd decide kor 4 rc Eoing %0 handle $00 Millo~will Jou--Co Jcu Ment %0 5 tell her Jowrbeli? 1 don t irant *0 tell ber tnle8e yQu Wenc 6 Re toa 7 1 don'& Nant *06 8 Oay, #hen) in the event tbat there 18 &nj- 9 1 don'% Went snybody paving anything: 10 Well, t0 ber '%Ou 1e30? 11 Jusr &0 hera 12 Well, Ilm nct Going #0 tcl1 unycne bere- 13 couze , wo'r0 gcing &0 beve #0 cencel cT 14 ~6I Imow thata 15 2-811 tnese reportrg yOu }oow tnat, 16 I Iow that, 17 But In thc event thav; I have to talk #oe-ta Jou 18 a5eln, ca I have your phono Rimber for tine puzpose8 Qf 'tnie 19 tapc? Now, where you ccn bc rpecbed; Your &ddrec8 i& (nzt? 20 Where you 're ptaving now? 21 2212 North Lerengoa nlcederz* 22 2212 Morth Werengo &n Altadene, Cal:fornic, 23 I @on'% Jow %J phone nvmber< 24 Yow Gon ' & kmow jour phone ruber tbore && the 25 3lece? 26 we juss had i6 cbangede 618 (R3-4) 519 ao: w70 ! NQ, #o, Form ================================================== Page 36 ================================================== 27 O15ny > miere och Jou @een %ha now pbore Jubez? 2 She %61 pbcna mrpera 3 Okey , ye '11 Eet tnat Ezom Nagg1e ther, Fhet 9b027 4 te Dborc riumncr 80 Mor:? 5 I don'& Imod $ Githera I j0s0 Starked morking 6 00704 Wnes'& #bc namc &f %n8 Dlcoe Mnare ycw Woxk? 8 #artin Lrtber King Veeteide Studv Centc?s 19-+ 9 1948 Woreh Jaiz Oak, 10 1948 Worth Jeir Oakoa ar4 10 @ "he Mortln Iutho? 11 Eing Seudj Gentcre 12 ~~Wcceolde Btudy Center. 13 Wectenide Study Gentora IoN, 1 wiil 206 2 14 J~#ad 12 %lcu} I3 job over #hle damb #pid 15 #hing, &d I 1ogt pay and everythsng? 16 Eut tne thing i8 %16, chac $0 wc Gve 60 cononcm 17 FoU? I Wliz Call JCW Iyselz; otay? 18 Yeaha 19 Bnd 1 bope that w0 MCr' % bave 60 talk #0 Jou 20 againe 3 don % %hink 0h40 Mo wiilc Okawv? 21 Zeah; Jealla 22 Ckay< 23 Cn; #ell, Jow %a14 JQu %cre Eoing 60 tell 2 24 Iat'8 @clng &0 happcn--ebouv Mnst'0 EQing *0 bappsn . 25 83 ZHNUNEZ: 1on 8 %0 bac: irto tne otbor 26 04f04 Form 618 (R.3-.1} 5580 7 OaV$ ================================================== Page 37 ================================================== LA 56-156 JoS/s*o INVESTIGA TION CONCERNING ALLEGED PURCHA SES O@ AMUNITION BY SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN AT LOCI, 9 STOCK N BARREL GUN SHOP ) SAN GABRTEL CALIFORNIA 581 ================================================== Page 38 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION 6/21/68 Date 1 Mrs DONA (No Middle Name HERR TCK rabiding at 9436 Pentland , Temple City, California, furnished the following information: Her husband 18 EENJAMIN JAMZS HERRICK _ Together own and operate the Lock, Stock N Barrel located at 8972East Runtington Drive , San Gabriel, California, This is a gun and ammunition sales Store. Mrs _ HSRRICK furnished the following written state- ment: 16, 1968 San Gabriel, California Dona Herrick, hereby furnish the following voluntary information to B. Bruce Bradford and Norbert R Linker who have identified thengelves to me as Special egents of the FBI "I live at 9436 Pentland , Temple City, California My husband Ben J _ Herrick and I operate the Lock Stock N Barrel iocated at 8972 Huntington Dr San Gabriel, California I am 42 years old "On or about April 3, 1968 I was working at the store Sometime between one and six p.m. three males of forelgn extraction entered the store_ I had never seen them before or since Only one of the three spoke And with such an accent I could not understand him. I asked Ben to help me to understand him. I then under- stood this same person to say , Do you have any 357 Mag _ tank piercing amo 9 or words to that effect Ben replied We don t have any' The three then left without gpeaking further They were here only three or four minutes I did not see them leave in any car As they were leaving they picked up one of our business cards from the counter They made no purchase_ On 6/16/68t San Gabr Californigile #Log_Angeles_56-156 SA 1 8 NORBERT R LINKER and 582 by B. BRUCE ERADFORD [BBBlrem Date dictated 6/17/68 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed oulside your agency. they "June "I, iel, ================================================== Page 39 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 "On June 16 2 I wae ehowen 8 group of eix photo'8 by agente Bradford and Linker_ I selected a photograph of Sirhan Biehara Sirhan and I am poeitive thie 1e 8 photo of' the man who inquired about 357 Mag. tank piercing ammo on or about April 3, 1968_ "A photo of Adel Sirhan and Munir Sirhan have been ehown to me by the FBI on thie date and both of these men bear strong regenblance ' 8 to the men who were with Sirhan Biehara Sirhan on or about April 3, 1968 in our tore "I wae not at the etore on June 1, 1968_ when caeh eale No . 2372 wa: made "I have given original bill of sale No _ 2372 dated June 1 to agente Bradford and Linker thie date June 16 9 1968. Liid Dona Herrick "witneegee; s/ B_ Bruce Bradford , Special Agent 9 FBI , Loe Angelee 9 6/16/68 . s/ Norbert R Linker , Special Agent , Loe Angelee 9 II 6/16/68_ In addition to this written etatement , Mrs HERRICK furnished the following information: She did not see any of these three men carrying or exhibiting any type 0f weapone on or about April 3, 1968. None of these three men mentioned or inquired about any 22 caliber ammunition Mrs HERRICK adviged that cash bill of sale Number 2372 , dated June 1, 1968 9 wa < apparently filled out by an employee 9 LARRY ARNOT It indicated the following sales were made : 583 L 1968 1968 "8/ FBI, ================================================== Page 40 ================================================== 3 LA 56-156 Quantity Deecription Price Amount 2 Bx CCI 22 100 200 2 Bx 8.X 22 90 180 Tax 19 399 She explained each box contained 50 cartridgee The "CCI" refers to the manufacturer, Cagcade Cartridge_ 9 Incorpora - ted 9 Lewiston, Idaho _ The "22" refers to 22 caliber cartridgee _ Aceording to the price 0f $1.00 per box the gale was for 22 caliber , long rifle 9 hollow point 9 mini-mag ammunition She explained the gecond two boxes would have been for 22 caliber , long rifle 9 etandard Super X, manufactured by the Winchegter- Western Division of the Olin Mathiegon Chemical Corporation The original , white copy 9 of the ealee elip i8 kept by her firm with the second tieeue copy The third copy , colored yellow is given to the cuetomer a8 hig receipt . Mrs_ HERRICK adviged she would keep the book from which salee Number 2372 wa2 taken and make it ava ilable if needed The following photographe were ehown to Mrs HERRICK on June 16 2 1968; 1 ADEL SIRHAN 2 SHARIF BISHARA SIRHAN 4 SAIDALLAH BISHARA SIRHAN MUNIR SIRHAN 9 68 521 466_ 9 dated June 5 , 1968 (With glagges) MUNIR SIRHAN 9 68 521 466, dated June 5, 1968 (Without glaegee) IRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN , Los Angelee Police Department BK 139_ 9 dated June 5 , Mrs HERRICK furnighed the following deecription for SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN: Race Caucagian Sex Ma le Age 21-25 yeare 584 380 elip 1968 495 ================================================== Page 41 ================================================== GA 56-156 Height 5 foot 3 inches Weight 130-135 pounde Build slight Nationality Pogeible Mexican decent Complexion Medium to dark poeeible acne on face , clean chaven Hair Dark brown or black, full head , wavy 9 combed straight back, no part in hair recalled Eyee Dark brown 9 na glaeeee Voice Medium to eoft Accent Foreign Teeth Unrecalled Jewelry None noted Scare and Marke None noted except for acne poseibility on face Tattoos None noted Head Normal oval 8 hape Eyebrows Dark and thick Noge Normal Eare Normal Clothing No hat ; white "T" ehirt with ra nd neck and 2 eleeves with tail tucked in belt; white duck troueers such .8 worn by Navy ; brown or black belt; no coat ; shoes not noted; very clean and neat Mrg HERRICK furnished the following deecription for the iian she believes bears a etrong resemblance to the man ehown in a photograph a& ADEL S IRHAN 9 etating she believeg ehe might recognize him again if she were to see him : Race Caucasian Sex Male Age 29-30 years Height 5 foot 3 inches We ight 135-140` poundg Build slight Nationality Poeeible Mexican deecent 585 tan, ================================================== Page 42 ================================================== 5 LA 56-156 Complexion Dark brown , emooth, clean shaven Hair Dark brown or black, full head 9 wavy , combed etraight back, no part in hair recalled Eyeg Dark brown "piercing, penetrating" 2 mogt prominent feature 9 no glaggeg Teeth Unrecalled Jewe_ None noted Scare and Marke None noted Tattoos None noted Head Long oval , elongated 9 narrow face Eyebrowe Brown or black, medium Nose Prominent Ears Normal Voice and Accent Not noted as did not speak Clothing No hat; white "T" shirt with round neckr and 2 eleeves with tail tucked in belt ; white duck troueers such a2 worn by Navy ; brown or black belt ; no coat; shoee not noted; very clean and neat Mrs HERRICK furnished the following deecription for the man she believes beare a etrong resemblance to the man shown in a photograph a8 MUNIR SIRHAN stating she 1e not cure if ehe would recognize him again if she were to 8ee him: Race Caucagian Sex Male Age 25-30 yeare Height 5 foot 3 inchee Weight 135-140` pounde Build Slight Nationality Poseible Mexican deecent Complexion Dark emooth, clean shaven Hair Dark brown or black 9 full head poeeibly curly combed etraight back , no part in hair recalled Eyee Dark brown, no glaeges recalled Teeth Unrecalled 586 lzy tan, ================================================== Page 43 ================================================== 6 TA 56-156 Jewelry None noted Scars and Marks None noted Tattoos None noted Head Oval Eyebrows Brown or black, medium Nose Normal Ears Normal Voice and Accent Not noted as did not speak Clothing No hat; white "q" shirt with round neck and 2 sleeves with tail tucked in belt; white duck trousers such a8 worn by Navy ; brown or black belt; no coat; shoes not noted; clean and neat Mrs HRRICK advised she would described the clothing worn by all three men a8 being very similar as though they might have been "in uniform clothing #J She stated , however, that she did not observe any lettering on the clothing_ She was impressed TI with the fact that al1 three eppeared to be neat and clean In addition she advised that when she saw these three nlen in their store on or about April 3 , 1968_ 9 she and her hus- band were the only ones working at the time Her husband was waiting on one other customer at the time This was the only other person in the store at the time but she advised she can not recall the identity of' this other customer 0 Mrs _ HERRICK advised she ig unable to furnish any other additional information at this time 587 ================================================== Page 44 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/20/68 Date Mr BENJAMTA J HERRTCK 9436 Pentland , Temple California advised he is the owner of the Lock 9 stock, n Barre Gun shop 88972 Huntington Drive) San Gabriel California, Mr HERRICK furnished the following signed sta tement : Gabriel Calif June "I Benjamin J_ Herrick, make the following statement to James HS Stanton and C Kenneth Arnold who have identified thenselves to nie as Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation I unders tand this s tatement may be used in a court of law. "i have discussed wi th my wife , Dona , the events surrounding the visit of three men , a11 foreign appearing, to ny gun the Lock_ Stock 1 n Barrel, 8972 Huntington Drive San Gabriel, California, about April 15, 1968_ I now recall that three men entered the store and looked around My attention was drawn to them because were very interes ted in the handgun display_ I drew the impression that were foreign because of their interest in the display. I have observed that other persons of foreign nation- ality show unusual interest in gun displays 9 perhaps because such displays are unknown in their own countries . "I did not observe these three men until they were in the store I did not see them arrive in a vehicle _ I did see them when they approached my wife and asked her a question and she then turned to me for assistance At this tine one of them asked me if we had any armor piercing ammunition in the store I do carry such ammunition which I sell to law enforce- ment officers After observing that these men were not law enforcement officers I said that wC did not have such ammunition in stock The three men then On 6/17/68 at San Gabriel 5 California File # Ios_Angeles_56_156_ SA C KENNETH ARNOLD and 588 SA JAMES F. S TAN TON CKA/sro Date dictated 6/17/68 by Thi8 document containg neither recommendations nor conclus of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed oulside your agency. City , "San 1968 17 , shop , they they ion8 ================================================== Page 45 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 left the store _ I did not obgerve the ren closely on this visit and I nOW only recall that were short, dark and foreign looking- "On June 1 1968 I was again Working at my store I don T t recali the time of the incident but it was soine time after opening hour of 12:00 noon _ I was talking to a customer about a shotgun_ I do not recall the name of this customer , but he was interested in trap shooting and I think we were dis- cus sing 8 Browning over/under shotgun During the conversation I was standing near my desk in the north- west corner of the store Larry Arnot one of my employees_ ) was standing at the ammunition counter which is at the southwest corner of the store_ I happened to glance over my shoulder and observed there were three short > dark 9 foreign looking persons talking with him. From their appearance I thought they were the same three persons who had been in the s tore on the April 15th date inquiring about the armor piercing ammunition. I observed these three persons from the rear only_ I continued my discussion with my customer and when I finished the three men were gone _ " cannot specific descriptions of the three men because of the short period of time I had to look at then _ I believe were al1 males 9 in their early 20' 8 , al1 about 5'5 or 5'6" (all shorter than I at 5'8") , slender build about 130 lbs I recall that al1 were very dark complected_ One had kinky hair_ The other two had curly hair They were all wearing casual clothing, probably pants and sport shirts None of them had glasses 9 tattoos or jewelry which I can recall. None of them was carrying anything when they were in the store to the best of my recollection I have the impression they were al1 clean, neat and well groomed . 589 they give they they ================================================== Page 46 ================================================== 3 IA 56-156 "i recall discussing the nationality of the three men I remember someone saying they were possibly Philipino_ I commented that I did not think were Philipino because they had curly hair and al1 Philipinos have straight hair_ I could not identify any of the three men a8 being from a middle eas t country _ "i have observed photographs of Adel Sirhan_ 9 Sharif Bishara Sirhan_ 9 Saidallah Bishara Sirhan and Munir Sirhan and cannot identify any of them as being in the store. cannot identify Sirhan Bishara Sirhan a8 one of the three men in the store I have seen his photograph in the papers and on TV and cannot now state that I am identifying him from being in my store or fron seeing his ture in the news media . "I have read the above 2 page statement and to the best of my knowledge it 1s true "/s/ Benjamin J. Herrick tness "c _ Kenneth Arnold 9 Spl Agt, FBI, Los Angeles 9 Calif _ 9 6/17/68 James H_ Stanton, Sp _ Agent , FBI, Los Angeles , Calif 6/17/68" 590 they "I pic- "Wi ================================================== Page 47 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64} FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/18/68 LARRY KENNETH ARNOT , Salesman , Lock Stock 'N Barrel Gun 8972 East Huntington Drive residence 517 Melcanyon Road , Duarte , California, was interviewed at his employment ARNOT advised that sometime during the mid-afternoon of June 1, 1968, three men entered the gun and walked direc to the last counter on the south side of the building where momen tarily paused and appeared to be looking over the various boxes of ammunition which were located behind that particular counter. ARNOT stated that as he approached the three men to inquire Tnhether he could be of any assistance, the shorter of the three men stated, "I want two boxes of Il Mini Mags or words to that effect ARNOT stated that simultaneous one of the three separated himself from his other two associates by a distance of' approximately six to eight feet and &ppeared to be intent on the items which were located behind the counter on the west side of the building. He related that as he turned towards the ammunition I stock, he asked ihe man who had ordered the "Mini Mags whether he desired the 8 tandard type or the hollow point type After learning that the purchaser desired the hollow point_ 9 he obtained two boxes of' high velocity 22 caliber long rifle bullets , each box of which contained 50 shells _ On returning to the counter and placing the ammunition directly in front of the purchaser, his associate, who was stending along side then informed him that he wanted two boxes of 22 caliber long rifle shells of the standard type ARNOT returned to the ammunition stock, removed two boxes of 22 celiber Super X ammunition and , on re turning to the two men, p laced a11 four boxes in a paper bag and then proceeded to complete a sales invoice 6/16/68 at San Gabriel, California File #Los_Angeles 156 On SA B, BRUCE BRADFORD and 591 SA NORBERT R LINKER/NRL/asi Date dictated 6/17/68 by This docunent contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. Shop , shop tly they lJ , him, 56- ================================================== Page 48 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 He related that on completing the 8ales which totaled $3.99 including he removed the yellow copy of the three copy seles invoice from the sales book and placed it in the with the four boxes of ammunition He advised that although not certain which one of the two individuals him for the sales transaction, he received the money , thanked them , at which point all three men departed the store leaving Via the front door _ ARNOT also recalled that midway through the course of the transaction, he asked the shorter of the two men who had purchased the ammunition whether they planned to go rabbit hunting as the 22 caliber bullets they were buying appearea ideai_ to him for that type of game He advised ths% the shorter man acknowledged that that wa8 their M plan 9 to T ,ch he asked, you going toward Red Mountain 3 which ARNOT explained was located off Highway 395 in San Bernerdino County_ 9 as ARNOT knew thie area to be an excellent rabbit hunting ground_ ARNOT stated that he specifically recalled that the shorter man answered in the negative and cited another_spot where planned to go hunting but , at this time , ARNOT cannot recall that location ARNOT stated that one or two days subsequent to the shooting of Senator ROBERT p KENNEDY , he observed a photograph of KENNEDY ! s alleged assailant SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN on either television or in a newspaper at which time he instantaneousLy realized that SIRHAN was the shorter of the two men to whom he had sold the two boxes of "Mini #1 Mags on June 1, 1968 , while SIRHAN was in the company of two associates At that point in the interview , ARNOT was displayed the below listed photographs 8 SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN MUNIR SIRHAN Two photographs 3 one of which depicts MUNIR with glasses_ 9 the other without glasses ) 592 tax, bag paid "Are they ================================================== Page 49 ================================================== 3 LA 56-156 ADEL SIRHAN SHARIF BISHARA SIRHAN SAIDALLAH BISHARA SIRHAN After closely reviewing the above photographs 9 ARIOT identified the ture of SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN a8 being identical to the individual to whom he had sold the two boxes of 22 caliber, long rifle 9 high velocity shells to on June 1 1968 Upon completing his identification of SIRFAN BISHARA SIRHAN 9 ARNOT affixed his initials and the date of June 16, 1968, on the rear of this picture Continuing his review of the remaining four photographs 9 ARNOT chose the photograph of SHARIF BISHARA SIRHAN from the remaining pictures and advised that he was #i of the opinion that SHARIE a strong resemb lance to the individual who while standing next to SIRHAN in the shop on June 19 1968= ordered and purchased two boxes of 22 caliber long rifle Super X bullets ARNOT stated that he could not make a positive identification of the photograph of SHARIF BISHARA SIRHAN but could be positive if afforded the opportunity of viewing this individual in person_ Regarding the third individual who had entered the store and then had parted from the other two men to view other merchandise , ARNOT stated that he was not confident that he would effect the identification of this person by either photograph or in person viewing. ARNOT was then displayed Lock Stock 'N Barrel original sales invoice number 2372 which reflects the date June 1 1968, for a cash transaction of two boxes of CCI 22 ca= liber ammunition and two boxes of Super X 22 caliber ammunition with tax totaling $3.99_ ARNOT identified the writing upon this invoice as his own and advised that he believes this is the sales slip covering the purchase made by SIRHAN and his associate _ After viewing the sales 9 ARNOT affixed his initials to the document a8 well as the date June 16, 1968. 593 pic "bears slip ================================================== Page 50 ================================================== LA 156 At this point in the interview 3 ARNOT prepared the following voluntary signed statement in his own hand : "June 16 1968 San Gabriel California Larry Kenneth Arnot_ hereby furnish the following signed s tatement to Norbert RJ Linker and B_ Bruce Bradford who have identified themgelves 83 Special Agents of the F.B.I. "I am 36 years of age and reside at 517 Melcanyon Rd Duarte California I am emp loyed as a salesman at the Lock Stock 1 N Barrel gun 8972 E. Huntington Dr San Gabriel California "During the afternoon of June 1, 1968 3 men entered my emp loyment and walked to the rear of the store where out stock of ammunition 18 located, Two of the men remained positioned at the counter their associate parted from them at a distance of about six feet and began to look over the items behind another counter. of two men standing together appeared interested in the ammunition behind the counter. After approaching them to inquire if I could be any help the shorter of the two men responded by stating I want two boxes of Mini Mags or words to that effect _ On questioning he added that he wanted the hollow point a8 opposed to the standard type I would like to point out at this time that Mini Mag ` is a brand or type of high velocity 22 caliber ammunition of short , long or long rifle sizes "I obtained two boxes of hollow point 22 caliber high velocity, long rifle Mini Mags made by the Cascade Catridge Inc Of Lewiston Idaho and placed them on the counter Each box contained fifty cartridges _ 594 56-_ "I, shop , "One

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