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================================================== Page 1 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION s/*0/53 Date Mr JAMES JIMMY ) BRESLIN was interviewed at Gallagher 8 Steak House, 228 West 52nd Street , New York, New York. He stated that he writes for several newspapers throughout the United States and that hie agent is the Sterling Lord Literary Agency , 75 East 55th Street, New York, New York. He resides at 52 Deepdene Road, Forest Hille, New York_ Start on March 17, 1968, he covered several of Scnator ROBERT YENNEDY 8 Presidential campaign trips Dur- the evening of_ June 4 , 1968, he was in the Ambaseador Hotel in Los Angeles , California, when Senator KIENNEDY made his victory speech_ The Embasey Room in which Senator KENNEDY made his epeech was very crowded 80 BRZSLIN Went to the press room which was near the Embassy Room and watched the speech on television When the speech ended an individual, he thinks was DICK DRAYNZ of Senator ROBERT KENNEDY 8 staff, appeared at the door of the press room and said that Senator ROBERT KZNNEDY wa8 on his way to the press room. Senator ROBERT KENNEDY after his speeches made it a habit to visit the press room and talk to the press BRESLIN Went to the door of the press room to wave to Senator ROBZRT KENNEDY _ He did not s ee Senator ROBERT KENNEDY , but while at the doorway he heard what at first he thought wa8 a tray drop to the floor_ It was a shot and there e hceen or four more At the most, BRESLIN heard four or five shots_ People were running and screaming and BRESLIN ran towards where the sound of the shots came from Many persons in the cro1d were screaming_ Thes e people Were to BRZSLIN 8 left Senator ROBZRT KENNEDY was lying to BRESLIN 8 left. In the imediate vicinity was PAUL SCHRADE, &lso lying on the: floor: To BRESLIN S approximate right was BILL BARRY of Senator ROBERT KENNEDY ' 8 staff On 6/19/68 at New York_ New York File # NY 44-1640 40 SA FRANCIS L. CASHIN and by SA JOSEPH E. HENEHAN [np_ Date dictated 6/20/68 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outgide your agency. ing ing ================================================== Page 2 ================================================== 2 NY 44-1640 BARRY had someone by the arm which was ext ended up and which hand held a black-barrelkistol. The hand withi the pistol then W ent down onto a table. Someone was jumping on the table_ The hand holding the gun dropped it and then something happened and the hand again picked up the gun ROSIE GRIXR then threw a male on a table and held him down and grabbed the male by the arm_ BRISLLN then sal the person on the table for the first time_ It was SIRHAN SIRHAN _ At this moment ROSIE GRIER wa8 holding the gun in his, GRIIR 8 , left hand _ At approximately this time GZORGE PLIMPTON had SIRHAN by his head ; WARRIN ROGZRS had his left leg; and RAFER JOHNSON was grabbing hi8 hand_ BRESLIN was of the impression at the time that the gun was still loaded and he tried to it away from ROSIE GRLER_ GRIER would not release the gun RAFER JOHNSON then asked GRIER for the gun and GRIER gave the gun to JOHNSON_ BRESLIN, standing Very close to SIRHAN and being face to face with him, asked him twice, did you have to i1 do it? STRHAN' s eyes were rolling and he did not answer_ SIRHAN then tried to thrash around with his legs and body, but those holding him kept him secure. After SIRHAN SIRHAN wa8 secured by BARRY , JOHNSON , GRIER, PLIMPTON_ 9 and ROGZRS, and being held by GRLER, JOHNSON PLIMPTON and ROGERS , BILL BARRY Went to Senator ROBERT KENNEDY BRESLIN occasionally looked over at Senator ROBERT KENNEDY _ The police then arrived and SIRHAN was turned over to them by GRIZR, JOHNSON , PLIMPTON and ROGERS . BRESLIN stated that he did not See the actual shooting and that he had not seen SIRHAN before this _ He saw no one in a polka dot dress . 41 get "Why ================================================== Page 3 ================================================== 3 Ny 44-1640 BRESLIN has since heard several reports conc erning the shoot One wa: that DICK TUCK of Senator ROBERT KENNEDY 8 staff chased SIRHAN off the platform twice and another that DICK HARWOOD of the Washington Post actually saw SIRHAN shoot Senator ROBERT KENNZDY 42 ing: ================================================== Page 4 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/24/68 Date Mr PAT FERGUSON Correspondent for the Baltimore Sun newspaper, Washington Bureau, National Prese Building, Waghington, D_ C., furnighed the following information: He accompanied the late Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY on the California Primary trip_ At the time of the assagsination of Mr KNNEDY , in the early morning hour8 of June 5, 1968, at the Ambaxaador Hotel in Los Angeles, California, he wa8 out of the hotel getting something to eat and did not observe anything directly in connection With the assa88ination At no tine during any of Senator KINNEDY 8 speeches in California did he ever 8ee SIRHAN SIRHAN , the alleged aseassin of Mr KENNEDY , and does not recall seeing any girl in a polka dot dress alleged to have been seen talking to SIRHAN 8ometime prior to the assassination. He was unable to furnish any pertinent information in connection with the a8sa88ination of Mr KENNEDY or any information concerning the alleged assassin_ On 6/20/68 at Washington, De C . File # WFO 173-135 43 SA HARVEY E. WILKTNSON /bmb 6/21/68 by Date dictated Thig document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it ad its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ================================================== Page 5 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 8/13/68 Date DARRY IRVIN FINDLY 3816 West 1l8th Street Hawthorne, California 9 home telephone number 676-9988, was interviewed at his residence and furnished the following information conc- erning his whereabouts at the time Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY was shot at the Ambassador Hotel, 3400 Wilghire Boulevard_ Los Angel California, in the early morning hours of June 5, 1968_ FINDLY advised he is a free lance sound man, and on June 4, 1968 , he wa8 employed by the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS) network to assist in the coverage of the California primary election returns at the Ambassador Hotel_ During this coverages FINDLY stated he worked with a free lance cameram_ JOH VIAZANKO , also employed by CBS _ FINDLY recalled he arrived at the Ambagsador Hotel at about 7:00 p.m, on June 4, 1968 9 and until 11.30 p.m_ remained in the Embassy Room and Colonial Room; the latter designated as the official Press Room . FINDLY stated that at about 11:30 p.m, he accompanied VIAZANKO to the nearby Beverly Hilton Hotel to 9 ome film, and returned to the Ambassador Hotel at about 12.10 a.m_ on June 5, 1968_ They immediately returned to the Embassy Room and were situated adjacent to the speakers platform when Senator KENNEDY made his victory speech Upon the completion of Senator KENNEDY' s speech, FINDLY and VIAZANKO remained in the Embassy Room and secured geveral photographs of the crowd Moments after Senator KENNEDY left the speakers platform, FINDLY heard what sounded like two balloons burst, then heard several more bursts _ FINDLY and VIAZANKO immediately ran into the vacant area between the speakers platform and the Embassy Room service pantry_ J at which time FINDLY obs erved a male Caucasian who had been shot FINDLY did not recall this individual'& name but stated this gentleman was employed by North American Airlines _ Due to the impact of the crowd, FINDLY and VIAZANKO were pushed away from the area where Senator KENNEDY had been shot, however, FINDLY observed Senator KENNEDY being removed from the 8ervice pantry on a stretcher 8/7/68 Hawthorne, California Los Angeles 56-156 On at File # 44 SA J, C _ FISHBECK , JR . /eb 8/8/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. e8 , anl, get they ================================================== Page 6 ================================================== 2 TA 56-156 FINDLY advised at no time during the confusion did he obs erve the individual who allegedly bhot Senator KENNEDY Further after observing 3 ograph of SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN 9 FINDLY s tated that he had seen no one who regembled SIRHAN prior to the time FINDLY observed SIRHAN' s photograph in 3 Los Angeles newspaper On June 1968 _ In addition, FINDLY stated that nothing came to bis attention prior to the shooting to indicate this event would occur 45 phot ================================================== Page 7 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date -9/11/68 EVAN FREED , 9431 Cresta Drive $ Los Angeles 9 Ca lifornia , telephone 5900 , advised a8 follows : Until recently_ ) he wa 8 a free lance photographer for the Copley News Service_ In that capacity, for about four weeks prior to the assas8ination of the late Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY 9 he had covered the Senator' s activities in the Los Angeles area At about PM the night of the 1968 California Primary (June 4 , '696890 he went to the Embassy Room of the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles 9 where he remained for approximately fifteen minutes and then went up- stairs to the KENNEDY rooms on the fifth floor where he stayed until about midnight when Senator KENNEDY and his party went downstairs to the Embassy Room FREED did not ac company them but used the stairs to reach the Embassy Roori About twenty five feet outside of the Embassy Room _ 3 he becane involved in an altercation with another photogrepher during which time his canera was damaged _ In order to out of the crowd 9 he went to the kitehen area of the Ambassador Hotel to to fix hi8 camera He was still in the kitchen area when Senator KENNEDY 9 who had finished his appearance in the Etnbassy Room _ 5 entered the kitchen through the main door to the kitchen_ At the time, FREED was located a t a rOw 0f tables in the corridor _ The Senator shook hands With nulerous people on entering the area The Senator was within six to eight feet of FREED hen the latter let his gaze arop towards the floor and at that moment FREED heard noises which sounded to hin like firecrackers going off He then looked up and saw a man shooting a gun _ Some people_ were trying to_grab the individual While others were 'hitting the floor" The man who was doing theshooting subsequently was identified as SIRHAN SIRHAN SIRHAN was the only person FREED saw shooting. FREED did not see Senator KENNEDY hit by gunfire or see him fal1 to the floor 9 but he did subsequently observe the Senator lying on the floor and thoughthe 9 the Senator, was dead There was much shouting a t this time_ 9 and FREED did not hear any particular conversation The man who was On 9/11/68 Angeles California Filelyos_Angeles 56-156_ SA S FREDERICK E_ BECKER and 46 - 47 by SAMUEL W NORTH JR [lel Date dictated _9ZLLL68_ This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 870 get try atLos ================================================== Page 8 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 shooting was digarmed 9 but FREED did not recall the disarming procedure_ He did recall seeing the shooter pushed against a table and pinned down _ FREED then left the kitchen area in an attempt to locate a telephone to call some friends and tell them {o turn on their television sets _ Being unable to locate 2 telephone 9 FREED returned to the kitchen area where his name was taken by the Los Angeles Police Departnent 48 ================================================== Page 9 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date 7/28/68 ED GUTHMA N 9 Angeles Times , "1 deily newspaper advised that he was one 0f the officials who had arranged for news coverage of Senator ROBERT F KENEDY ' s appearance at the Ambassador Hotel 9 Los Angeles $ on June 4 and 5,-1968. GUTHAN stated that he was at the Ambassador Hotel the night of the a88888 ination of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY ha dropped by to congratulate Senator KENNEDY on his priuary victory GUTHMAN advised he had not observed SIRHAN SIRHAN prior to the assassination in the early morning hourg 0f June 5, 1963, He had observed no suspicious activity in the hotel prioz to the a8sa8s nation On 728/68 ~_at Los Angeles , California File # _ Los_Angeles_56-156 49 by SA TIMOTHY L DONOVAN 'Date dictated 728/68 Thi8 document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. "Los ving Lir ================================================== Page 10 ================================================== Fd-302 (Rov. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date_ 7/22/68 VIRGINIA GUY; 4319 18th Street; furnished the following information: Mis, GUY takes photogrephs for Pictorial Parade whose main office is at 130 W 0 42nd Street 2 New York Ms, GUY was with the KENNEDY and McCARTHY Campaign In Oregon and she was with the KENNEDY Party in California, On the night of June 4, 1968, Ms_ GUY was in the Embassy Room at the Ambassador Hotel, She took pictures in the Embassy Room uP to and during Senator KENNEDY S victory speech . Ns . ' GUY left. the Embassy Room before KENNEDY finished speaking 0 She did not know where he was going after his , speech and knew that he was going to a party at the Factory _ 9 KENNEDY kept speaking longer than Mrso GUY `thought he was going to and she walked around in the halls of the Ambassador waiting for him to finisha She walked Into the kitchen area and was surprised to see KENNEDY and the people with him walking towards her She had entered the area from the opposite end the Senator entered . She was about 15 feet away. from the Senator when she turned: her back to him and began swiftly walking away SO that she could take a better pacture of him, While she waa walking away, she heard some noises which sounded like fire crackers A few steps later, she turned around and saw the Senator falling. At that time she was further away from the Senator than she had been when she first saw himo Mrs0 GUY 'took no pictures after she left the Embassy Room where the Senator was making his Victory Speech. 50: 7/12/68 Washington, Da `C FIFO 173-135 SAs JOHN La PATTERSON and by ALLEN GARBER men Date dictated 7/17/68 Tais document conlains neither recommendofons nor conclusions' of Ihe, FBI ir ii fe property of @e F5I ond Is loaned io Your agency; #l and Ils contents are nof to be distrlbuted: outside your agency- N,Wo, City. Party only ================================================== Page 11 ================================================== WFo 173-135 In the confusion that followed the_ shoot of the Senator someone ran into Mrs 0 GUY and his fist struck her mouth.where it chipped the corner of one of her upper center teeth. She did not feel the person purposely hit her in the mouth but did it as he ran into her This person came from in front of her in the direction of Senator KENNEDY Mrs . GUY felt that this individual had ' something metal in his hand and believed that it was a greyish color 0 She thinks that the object was a gun, although she did not really see the object 8 Later Mrs GUY saw BILL BARRY and RAFER JOHNSON holding an individual down on a counter who she learned was SIRHAN _ She thinks that STHAN was the same person who ran Into her and caused her tooth to be chipped; but she is not positive of this She stated that because of the confusion in the area at the time_ ) she has a hard time remembering exactly what happened Ns; GUY did not remember ever having seen STRHAN before, either that evening or during the campaign. She remembered seeing no in 8 dot dress in the Ambas - sador Hotel that evening. 51 ing girl Polka ================================================== Page 12 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev: .4-15-64) FEDERAi BUREAU OF INVESTIGATON Date_ 8/64/68 Mr _ BRIAN JAXILZ 1178 68th Street , Brooklyn , Wew York ; telephone number stated that he is & free lance pbotogrepner and that on tne evening of June 1968 ne W&3 2t the Anbassador Hotel, Los Angeles _ 9 Jalifornia 9 with nis brothez 9 PEYE HAMTLU, a writer, covering the Senaioz RORERT F XENNEiX campazn BRTA3 HAMILL did not `have ii.e proper credentials and ccula nor in t2 neaf a-d. See Senatoz XENNEDY S speech; cuis-quently , he wa8 in tha lopby of the hotel and iid not se? or heer tie shcot:ng Thlere 82s Er entrance ta tne hotel near the press room buk BRIAN HAMILL could aot in recause he lacked the proper identification In t28 lcbby: of the hotel, while facing the check-cut desk; 60 the right ar2 two doors which Jook lfke an employces 5 entrance and which BRIAN HAMILL believes lezd8 to the kitchen area While waiting in thc lobby 9 BxiAN EAMILL noticed people going i: this door end ne Tould Jave tried to g0 in that way excepi ror the fect that he wa8 afraid of being caught and throw Ou;t 0f she hotel. While Weiting 1n the lobby all a suddcn two people came running cut of the ballroom. O5c went toward th? telephones 9 the Other ran qown the steirs 6 BRIAN HAMILL thiaks they tay have been reporters Then many_people came out Tney Wer? cry and there Tva S much coniusion Then he Saw a yjunz man being carried Qut Fe thinks tnig young man Ia2 shot in the Jeg. Later ne Sawt SIRIZAN SIRHAN belng teken out 2 He did.not se8 Senator KZINEDY 52 Polephonically '8/6/68 New York, New York NY 44-1640 On_ File # S: FRANCIS Lo CASHIM : jrf 8/6/68 by Date dictafed This- docurnunt conloins neiiher recommendations nor onclusions oi Ihe FBI. I is Ihe properiy of Ihe FE; and is looned :0 ,our agency; ifard its confen'$ arz nol %o bc distribuled outside Your agency. '833-29302 4, get: get; op ing af ================================================== Page 13 ================================================== 2 NY 44-1640 Iater BRIAN HAMILL' s brotker , PETE HAMILL apreared in the lcbby and took BRIAN intc tne press room and the kitchen where tiie 8hooting occurred A1l bodies ard SIRHAMi SIFEAN nar been remcved While waiting in tne lobby a7d when the confusion ` started; BPIAN #nok some picturee of the crowd which he described a: not very good_ %c took no Pictures 0f SIRHAN SIRHAN or Sezator KEMNEDY Riring or after the speech _ 53 ================================================== Page 14 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 8/6/68 Mr _ PETE HAMILL was interviewed at his t emporary residence, 196 Berkeley Place, Brooklyns New York, telephone number 638-8215 He stated that he will be moving within a week to 479 14th Street, Brooklyn, New York. He 18 a free lance writer and on June 4-5, 1968, while living in California, he covered the Senator ROBERT F KENN SDY campa During the evening of June 4, 1968, prior to Senator KENNEDY ma king his Victory speech, HAMILL was in Senator KENNEDY 8 suite in the Ambagsador Hotel, Los Angeles , California, with Senator KENNEDY and JIMY BRESLIN_ 9 the writer HAMILL Went to the elevator with Senator KENNEDY When Senator KENNEDY was on hiz way to make hie victory speech _ There was confusion at the elevators and HAMILL did not get on the same elevator with Senator KENNEDY During Senator KENNEDY 8 speech, HAMTLL stood on the podium to Senator KENNEDY 8 rear and left_ This was near the left rear corner of the podium near some drapes and some etairs that went down- Standing near HAMTLL were GEORGE PLIMPTON, the writer, and PLIMPTON ' & wifes FREDDY Standing near the stairs was BILL BARRY of Senator KENNZDY 8 etaff_ Ii 1i During the speech a guy or a "kid" tried to get on the podium by coming through the drapes which Were in back of HAMILL. BILL BARRY noticed this individual and told him to out HAMILL Would not recognize this individual if he saw him again_ Wh en Senator KENNEDY finished his speech, HAMTLL or PLIMPTON asked BILL BARRY which way to go out . On 8/5/68 at Brooklyn__ New York File # NY 44-1640 54 by SA FRANCIS L CASHTN jrf Date dictated 8[5/68_ Thig document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it &d its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency- ign get ================================================== Page 15 ================================================== 2 NY 44-1640 BARRY pointed to a corridor to the pantry _ HAMILL and PLIMPTON went out that way which was down the nearby stairs and HAMILL did not 8ee Senator KENNEDY leave the um HAMILL next saw Senator KENNEDY in the pantry_ HAMILL was walking &long with GFORGE PLIMPTON in front of Senator KENNEDY and to his (Senator KENNEDY 8 ) right about ten feet _ HAMILL did not krnow that Senator KENNEDY was going to the press room but thought Senator KENNEDY was headed for "The Factory II where a party was to be held _ As HAMILL was walking along and looking back, he saw Senator KENNEDY turn to his left to shake hands with s omeone_ After Senator KENNEDY shook: hands with thi8 individual, he (Senator KENNEDY) turned to continue Walking straight ahead _ At thiz time what HAMILL thought Were five shots Were fired in Very rapid succession HAMILL looked and saw SIRHAN SIRHAN who wa8 standing in front of and to Senator KENNEDY 8 left about sev en or eight feet with hig SLRHAN 8 ) arm fully ext ended and hig face in tremendous conc entration shooting a gun at Senator KENNEDY _ Senator KENNEDY was falling to the floor and someone caught Senator KENNEDY M # ROSIE GRIER ran by HAMILL and elammed SIRHAN into a table. GEORGE PLIMPTON rushed over to SIRHAN and Went for the gun RAFER JOHNSON came out of somewhere and HAMTLL thinks that JOHNSON got the gun SIRHAN was "thrown up on a table" or group of tables and 11 elid down to the end of the table" or tables , There was much yelling and noise and HAMTLL was momentarily "stupified" He then looked at his watch_ It wa8 12:12 a .m. , June 5, HAMTLL heard people saying such things to SIRHAN a8 did you do it?" HAMILL did not hear STRHAN say anything. HAMILL stated that he did not see or notice SLRHAN before the shooting. HAMILL did not touch SIRHAN _ 55 podi 1968 "Why ================================================== Page 16 ================================================== 3 NY 44-1640 HAMILL went out of the hotel by or near the press room to his brother BRIAN HAMILL, a photographer, who did not have a pass to in to watch the speech _ HAMTLL etated that he looked at hig watch when Senator KENNEDY 8 body was removed and it was 12:32 3.m. After the shooting WARREN ROGERS of "Look Magazine MI and BUD SCHULBZRG, a writer who lives in Loe Angeles, came out of the press room and into the room where the shooting occurred HAMILL stated that he heard later that there was an entrance to the hotel near the press room in Which entrance to the hotel and the kitchen or pantry area could be easily had_ 56 get get ================================================== Page 17 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/24/68 Date Mn Mr JOHN HERBERS , York Times correspondent a8signed to the Washington, Da C _ Bureau, furnished the following information: He accompanied the campaign party of Senator ROBERT F, KENNEDY through Oregon and California, having joined the group in the middle of March Ax the time 0f the shooting of Senator KENNEDY he was in the t emporary press headquarters located in the Colonial Room of the Ambasgador Hotel in Loe Angeles , California_ Senator KENNEDY 8 victory speech was watched by Mr HERBERS and other members 0f the preee corps on a television set in the Colonial Room _ About the time Senator KENNEDY wa8 giving his speech they were notified the Senator would come to the press room for a news 11 conference for the "writing press It had been understood during the ev 'ening of June 4, 1968, that the Senator would appear before the pre8s, howev er, the exact time was not known until the election trend had been firmly established . Approximat five minutes before the shooting, they were notified the Senator would be there shortly. Mr _ HERBERS stated there were probably between 8ix hundred and 3 thousand people in the Embassy Room where the victory speech was given _ Because 0f the crowd, KENNEDY staff workers and the members of the press were u8ing the kitchen area as a corridor between the Embassy Room and the Colonial Room While still working in the press room (Colonial Room) 9 HERBERS heard gun shots in the kitchen area _ At the time they sounded like firecrackers, however , he rushed into the On 6/20/68 at Washington, Da C _ File # WFO 173-135 57 by SA JOSZPH C KELLY/esb Date dictated 6/21/68 This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are not to be distributed outside agency "New 1968 . ely your ================================================== Page 18 ================================================== WFO 173-135 kitchen area where the shots came from and described the gcene as "utter chaos" By working his way forward he observed BILL BARRY near the end of the warming counters struggling with someone, He also saw. ROSIE GRIER and RAFER JOHNSON struggling 1ith the same person. Mr _ 0 HERBERS then saw SIRHAN SIRHAN for the first time_ 9 end described hin as having dark hair and an olive complexion He observed a dark Latinetype man beating on SIRHAN SIRHAN 8 S head_ Mr HERBERS had never seen this individual before and described him 85 in his late thirties or early forties, medium height 9 and heavy set At about the sane time he saw Senator KENNEDY Lying on the floor. In the immediate Vicinity he observed FRED DUTTON 9 an assistant to Senator ROBERT KENNEDY; DUN' GIFFORD , an assistant to Senator EDIARD KENNEDY; and DICK DRAYNE , ROBERT KENNEDY' s press secretary _ Mr . HERBERS did not see any or wowan in 8 polka dot dress . He was sure he had not seen SIRHAN SIRHAN before the instant when he observed him struggling with Mr_ BARRY In the kitchen area after the shooting. 58 girl ================================================== Page 19 ================================================== FD-302 (Rav. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 7/8/68 Date_ GEFFERY HOMGSON _ Correspondent London Sunaay Tiies, National Press ciui Buiiding furnished the following infolma- tion: HODGSON. spent the last ten days 0f the California Primary Campaign in Califoinia traveling with the KENNEDY and MC CARTHY parties _ At the time of KENIVEEDY ' s victozy speech_ HODGZON was in the Embassy Room 0f the Ambassadoi' Hotel listen- ing to the_speech in person He was accompanied by BFUCZ PAGE and ANTHONY CLIFTON, also of the Sunday London Times As socn aS KENEEDY finished his speech and before he began to moVe through the crowd HOBG SON . PAGE and CLIFTON left the Room by_ going down an iron staircase to the parking lot aid this to avoid getting tfapped in the crowd _ did not know which .way the Senator would g0 after making his speech or what his exact plans were While outside HODGSON heard about the shooting and he went back inside the hotel He went towards the kitchen area but was unable to enter the area because 0f the crowds _ He did not see the Senator 01 SIRHAN at that time HODGSON does not recall ever having seen SIRHAN at any time during the campaign_ In addition he does not remember seeing any giil at the Ambassador Hotel' Iho was wearing a polka dot dress . 5S 7/3/68 Washington. D.c} WFO 173-135 FIle #_ SH JCHN L: PATTER S0-: bmo 7/8/68 by Date dictated This documenf conta neilher recommendalions nor conclusions of Ihe FBi: Itis Ihe property of the' FBi ond Is loaned Io agency; n ond its contenls ore no} to be dlstributed outsid0 Your agency. Zibasskey They ins Your ================================================== Page 20 ================================================== FD-302. (Rov. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date_ 7/.8,/68 HILLARY LAMB_ research assistant London Sunday Times . National Press Building- furnished the following information: Miss LAMB was in California during the primary campaign in her capaci- dtx as an eeplchee of the London Suadtles Times . However_ she not cover and her were confined to the Los_Angeles Times Re7 The only time Miss LAMB was ith the KENNEDY party was the 0f June 4 1968 _ She was the Ambassador Hotel that evening At the time of KENNEDY ' s victory_speech she was in the press room in the Colonial Room . LAMB" had been told that KENNEDY would come to the press room after the victory speech_ She did not knowj} which route he would take to the rooml _ Before the Senator airived LAMB heard what she thought were balloons breaking She then learned he had been shot. Miss LAMB did not see KENNEEJY after the shooting and does not femember seeing SIFHAN at the hotel_any tine that evening_ Miss LAMB d0es not remember seeing a in a polka dot dress at the hotel_ 6 7/3/68 Washington, D:C: MFO . 173-135 On_ File # b Date dictated This document conlains neilher recommendalions nor conzlusions of Ihe FBI: It is the Property of the FB! and Is lcaned to Y8uf {gency; #ond its contenls are not to be distributed oulside Your ogency. at girl ================================================== Page 21 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6428/68 1 JOHN WILLIAM LEWIS , 11606 Vantage Hill, Arlington, Virginia, was interviewed on June 20 , 1968, and furnished che following information: He stated he works a8 the electrician with the crew 0f JIM WILSON and BOB FUNK _ The crew had been under contract to Columbia Broadcaeting System (CBS) , Washington, D. C., for coverage of Senator KENNEDY 8 presidential campaign LEWIS said he wae not on the Oregon campaign, except the last night , due to being on his honeymoon_ On: the night of the assa8sination the crew Was in Senator KENNEDY 8 suite of rooms before the speech in the Embassy Room , As they left to go to the Embagsy Room the Senator rode down on the elevator and the crew ran down five flights of etairs They filmed the speech from the stage_ After the speech LEWIS said BILL BARRY eaid, "iBOBBY_ 9 We re supposed to go this way {f II This way' meant through the crowd. The Senator anewered "No"i and headed down the steps toward the rear IEWIS said they followed about ten to twelve feet behind . He first heard the shets When they reached the II swinging doors It sounded like a 'pop: then a number of ehots in rapid succession He and the crew ruehed forward, still filming and knelt down t0 KENNEDY 8 head LEWIS said he told JIMMY to keep shooting. JIMMY waa crying and shouting and wa: not looking through the view finder_ LEWIS stated he grabbed the lens and aimed it the beet he could _ At the end of the magazine JIMY said, "I can't do anymore, We re out of film_ 9i LEWIS baid he ran to the Colonial Room and got another magazine_ He fought his way back to the kitchen and gave the magazine to BOB FUNK , JIMY then threaded the film and laid the camera aside_ LEWIS said he helped blocl the entrance, where KENNEDY wa8 eventually taken out, with two laundry carts . On 6/29/58 at Wabhinatony 9 File # Jn0173-135 61 by S4 ROBERQ # PEYknlr Date dictated _ 6/24/68 This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusiong of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ================================================== Page 22 ================================================== 2 WFO 173-135 When the ambulance arrived LEWIS said he got the camera and gave it to JERRY SIMS and they followed the ambulance in a cab and filmed the rest of the events at both hospitals _ LEWIS stated he could not recall geeing SIRHAN before seeing him on television He did not see the girl in the polka dot dress The orher news media men he said he could recall In the corridor Were JOHN HART , CBS , Washington, DS C., and JERRY SIMS_ 9 free lance, Los Angeles . 62 ================================================== Page 23 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date 7/5/68 CHARLES N QUINN 9 Correspondent, National Broad - cast Company (NBC) 4001 Nebraska Avenue, N_ Washington, D advised that he was as8igned to the coverage of the KENNEDY Presidential Campaign since March 28, 1968, and followed the campalgn until Senator ROBzRT F KENNEDY wa8 asgassinated. QUINN advised that he was in the Ballroom of the Ambaggador Hotel, in Los Angeles , California, on June 5, 1968. He was on a8 news commentator for the midnight news _ Just a8 he was about to finish his news broadcast , he heard a lot of screaming and shrieking and S omeone ran into the room and shouted that Senator KENNEDY had been shot He immediately left the room ana forced himnself through crowds of people into the kitchen area He walked up to Senator KENN:DY who was Lying on the floor with his head in What appeared t? be blood QUINN up on a serving table and stayed there until Senator KSNNIDY was removed from the room QUINN advised that Senator KENNEDY was awake while he wae Lying on the floor QUINN recalled hearing a voice, similar to Senator KENNEDY 8 saying you please st ep back 80 I can have some air MI Senator KENNEDY wae fingering 3 roeary on his waist line and ZTHEL KENNEDY was rubbing his chest ETHEL s eemed to be calm. QUINN advised that when Senator KENNEDY wa8 picked up by three or four men, he 8aid about five times in a very painful voice, INo! Ti KENNEDY was placed on a stretcher, and his eyes Were now closed _ QUINN did not know if Senator KENNEDY was unconscious 6/27/68 Washington, D. C WFO 173-135 File # On at 63 SA KZNNETH Ls PLESS /crb 73/68 Date dictated by recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to This docaent coatainscoetetes - are not to be distributed outside agency. your agency; it and its ing W., C., gok "Can your ================================================== Page 24 ================================================== 2 WFO 173-135 QUINN advised that there was much confueion in the room and it 8 eemed like such a long time between the time Senator KENNEDY wa8 shot and when he wa8 removed on the stretch- er QUINN advised thar he recalled seeing ETHEL KENNEDY _ 9 Mrs JEAN SMITH, BILL BARRY_ 9 DICK TUCK (advance man for Senator KENNEDY FRANK MANKIEWICZ Press Secretary for Senator KENNEDY PIERS ANDERTON , of KNBC , Los Angeles , California, and his crew Were on the epot taking pictures , and possibly JULIS WITCOVER , of the Baltimore Sun QUINN advis ed that he was not personally with any other new smen, and when Senator KENNEDY was removed from the area, he returned on television and reported what news he could about the shooting of Senator KENNEDY QUINN advised that he accompanied Senator KENNEDY on both the Oregon and California primaries _ He did not know the plans and scheduled route of Senator KENNEDY after his victory 8 peech. He had never seen SIRHAN SIRHAN before, and did not see him during the day of the shooting, to the best of his recollection_ He recalled seeing many polka-dot dresses among the crowd surrounding Senator KENNEDY , but did not recall any particular person _ He knew there wa8 a change in Senator KENNEDY 8 route_ The Senator was to go through the ballroom after his speech, and a last minute change took place, according to JIM DUNN , who recorded a11 or Senator KENNEDY 8 speeches , DUNN did not say why the change was made _ 64 ================================================== Page 25 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date_ 7/1/68 ROBERT ROTH; . Correspondent e3hikedexfhowiBglletio; 1238` National Press Building, furnished the inforuation: ROIH covered the last week 0f the ledeg8; Bijeary and' the entire California He divided time between the KENNEDY and MC PEiiR' caneadgvid The ,night of the Californie election ROTH Was at the Aubassador Hotel earlier in tPeiaveningecndc then he went to the Los Angeles Tines to write his Ke was at the Tines Building when shooting occutcea: FOTH does not remember seeing_SIRHAN SIRHAN at any,tine during the pfimary campaign and does not remember Eeezza a in a polka dot dress at the Ambassador Fotel. He not think he could furnish any #urthez information regarding the assassination. 85 On 6/25/68_ a Nashington DC: File_ NFO173_135 SA JOH L: PHTTERSON:bub Date dictated 6/26768 This documen! conlctns neilher recommendaiions Gor coricluslors ' of Ie .F8l. If ts Ihe ` oroperly of_mhe F5l &nd Is Joaned to your agoncy; Il and Ils contenls are no} fo be dlgtflbuled oufside your agency:. Butidinge girl ================================================== Page 26 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 Date 6/27/68 WALLACE TURNER, San Francisco Correspondent _ New York Times , Suite 945, Fox Plaza_ San Francis c0 was interviened regarding the agsassination of Senator ROBERT F 0 KENNEDY and stated that he was in a room at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles on June 4 , 1968, with other membe rs of' the press , awaiting the arrival of Senator KENNEDY Senator KENNEDY was supposed to come to the press room after he had addressed a group of his supporters _ TURNER and the other members of the press were observing KENNEDY on closed-circut TV _ TURNER said he was cove ring the MAX RAFFERTY senatorial campaign and had gone over to Senator KENNEDY 1 8 press room While things were slow at RAFFERTY 1 8 press head- quartezs After arriving in KENNEDY 8 press room, DICK DRAYNE 9 KENNEDY 1 8 press representative 9 told the group that KENNEDY would be coming to the press room DRAYNE explained to them that there was such a large crowd in the other room tha it would be best if KENNEDY came to them _ TURNER said he was not aware of the names of the roons at he Ambassador Hotel As they were observing KENNEDY leave the room by way of TV after addressing his supporters TURNER said he heard three shots Which Sounded like the pops of firecrackers He ran down the corridor and observed a struggle involving RAFER JOHNS ON nd ROOSEVELT GRIER with a young man, whom he now knows to be SIRHAN B, SIRHAN_ Several other_people were struggling with SIRHAN and holding hin down _ TURNER said he continued on down the hall and obtained an open line on a telephone to his New York office He went back down the hall where Senator KENNEDY lay and observed SIRHAN sill being restrained on a table He al80 observed Los Angeles Police Departments officers arrive and saw SIRHAN being led off GRIER was restraining bystanders from hurting SIRHAN TURNER said he had never seen SIRHAN before thig time He said he was a personal friend of Senator KENNEDY and for this reason was not covering hi8 campaign He identified LISA URCO , age 18, of Crawford High School, 66 W On 6/25/68 at San_Erancisco, California_File # Los_Angeles 56_156_ by SL-ERNEST WOODBY LERgja Date dictated 6/27/68 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ================================================== Page 27 ================================================== SF 62-5481 FEW : ER 2 of Crawford High School 9 San Diego 9 and KARL UECKER 9 of the hotel staff as two eye witnesses who saw SIRHAN shoot Senator KENNEDY He 8aid that both of these individuals have testified before the Grand Jury in Los Angeles 67 ================================================== Page 28 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date [29/63 Mr _ LEWIS BOIES an attorney 331 North Beverly Drive Beverly Hiils California 2 telephone BRadshaw 2-8629 9 telephoned the Lop Angeles office of the FBI following attempts to contact ROSEMARY CLOONEY 9 singer and actress, through her business manager 9 Ira Frisbee Company 7 9601 Wilshire Boulevard 9 Beverly Hills 9 California, telephone 276-3168 , Mr _ BOIES said that he represented ROSEMARY CLOONEY who was il1 and in the hospital and not available for interview He said that he had discussed with her the circumstances surrounding the shooting of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY 8s ROSEMARY CLOONEY had attended the Senator KENNEDY campaign party at the Ambassador Hotel. ROSEMARY CLOONEY 9 at the time of the_shooting of Senator KENNEDY 9 was in the Press area Of the Embassy Roon at the Ambasgador Hotel and was not an eyewitness to the actual shooting, according to Mr . BOIES On 7/22/68 at Los_Angeles California File # Los Angeles_56-156 68 by SA LESLIE F WARREN/eb Date dictated 723/63 This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are 'not to be distributed outside your agency. ================================================== Page 29 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-6 4 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION 9/13/68 JUDY BRAND , 10323 Ocean Gate telephone number 674-5615 9 was interviewed at her Aveslience and provided the following information: BRAND advised that she had been emp loyed as a Kennedy Girl in order t? work for Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY in his seeking the Presidential nomination On June 4 , 1968, BRAND stated that she was at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles , and was making preparations to leave the hotel when she stopped to shake hands with ALAN CRANSTON , the Demoractic candidate for United States Senate , when someone rushed past I her shouting , "KENNEDY has been shot_ She stated that she was nat c lose to the actual as sessination and did not see any of the occurrences at that time She said that eventually after the people were allowed to leave the hotel, she was taken to her home by a girlfriend_ BRAND stated that prior to the a8sassination, she was waiting, along with a large group of people , for the Senator to c ome down from his room and make his victory speech. She s tated that along with several other Kennedy Girls , were lined up along a doorway corridor when she noticed an individual take up a position directly in front of her She said she made a comment to an NBC newsman who was standing close I} to her, "look at this She stated she made this statement because the Kennedy Girls had been given rather preferential treatment and were a llowed to assume position in front of the crowd BRAND stated that the newsman then asked this individual M to move and the individual replied, "This won' t take long BRAND said that this individual left a short time thereafter and she did not pay any attention t? where he went_ She said that she described thig individual as being of' possible foreign extraction with dark trousers , light blue shirt and having bushy hair She said that she could not say with any degree of certainty that this individual was identical with SIRHAN SIRHAN but that she had noticed S ome characteristics of thi8 individuai as being similar to the description Jf SIRHAN . On 945468 at ~Inglenoody California File # Los Angeles_56_156 SAs CHARLES W _ BADGLEY and 69 GBORGE M_ KLING /GMK /ndm 9/11/68 by Date dictated This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency_ shes ================================================== Page 30 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date 9[3/68 DANIEL JOHN CURTIN , 236 Seventh Street , Jersey New Jersey, wa8 int erviewed and furnished the following infor- mation: CURTIN advised that in June 1968, he was 2 full-time student , majoring in psychology at Southwest College, Imperial and Western Boulevard, Los 'Angeiee; Icalifornia, during the time preceding the California Primary _ He was a supporter and work- er in the of Senator ROBZRT F KIENNEDY On election June Sampgag; 4, he was engaged during the greater part of the in transporting voters to the polls _ At approximate 8:00 p.m_ he Went t? the Ambassador Hotel to take part in a KENNEDY victory party for the press land campalgn workers CURTIN stated that at twelve midnight he was in the ballroom of the Ambassador Hotel, whjen Senator KINNEDY delievered his victory speech_ CURTIN said thaj his location during the speech was to the right front of thel podium approximately three feet from Senator KIZNNXDY _ This location is as he was facing the podium CURTIN said that Senator KZNNIDY ' 8 speech lasted approximately nine to t en minutes, and at the conclusion of the speech he (CURTIN) engaged in jubilant shouting with the rest of the individuals in the ballrbom_ CURTIN advised that at the end of the speech Senator KZNNEDY turned and proceeded through the curtains at the rear of the podium into an anteroom CURTIN stated that he then climbed over the podium and followed the crowd a8 it was surg- ing after Senator KXNNZDY He stated that he was caught up in the mov ement of the crowd and proceeded through the anteroom into a corridor and then turned right and proceeded toward the kitchen area CURTIN stated that he did not actually see Sena - tor KINNZDY throughout the entire time that the group was mov- ing through the ant eroom into the cofridor but caught inter_ mittent glimpses of Senator KZNNIDY through the moving crowd_ CURTIN stated that the procession moved through swinging doors into a pantry area, and at the time he was approximately 15 feet behind Senator KENNEDY CURTIN said that a8 he wa: about +09g0 throtgh the swinging doors he heara one Toud report On 8/28/68 at Jersey_City__Nen_Iergey File # Netark_44_872 SA THOMAS OTTNEY and 70 by SA HOWARD H RTCE[HHRLaff Date dictated 8/29/68 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents ae not to be distributed outside your agency. City, day , ely day ================================================== Page 31 ================================================== 2 NK 44-872 followved by two other loud reports in quick succession_ CURTIN said that he then jumped quickly through the swinging doors and observed Senator KNNZDY falling to the floor in the pantry corridor_ CURTIN stated that the cjowd of people immediately behind Senator KENNZDY seemed to suddenly open, enabling him to lunge to the side of Senator KENNTDY as he fell to the floor CURTIN stated that Senator KENNEDY fe11 to his right and threw his right arm up in the air a8 if to grasp the right side of his head _ CURTIN advised that he was one of the very first, if not the first person, to reach Senator I_NNNI DY and he immediate- ly handed Senator KENNEDY a string ofl r38ary beads CURTIN ana KZNNEDY clutched the beads a8 CURTIN placed his lips near KENNXDY 8 ear and began an Act of Contrition prayer_ CURTIN stated that ma8s con lusion in the area occur- red at this time, and he recalled hearing various individuals around him screaming; and asking him if he was a priest CURTTN stated that at this point , after being Over Senator KZNNIEDY for approximat- a minute, an unknown man helped him to his feet and told him that he had done a11 that could be done- This in- dividual helped CURTIN a few feet away and at this point Mrs_ ZTHZL KIZNNZDY and her 8ist er had arrived at KZNNEDY 1 8 eide_ CURTIN stated that it was at thie time that he ob- served ROSIE GRIIR and several other individuals holding 3 per - son later determined to be SIRHAN SIRHAN in the area of the bins several feet down the corridor from' KENNZDY 8 location CURTIN stated that the surging crowd was ecreaming and trying to get to SIRHAN, but GRIZR and others were protecting STRHAN from the crowd, and at the same time they Were trying to sub- due him_ CURTIN sid that he did not jobserve the shots being fired, and 88 he was leaning over Senator KZNNZDY = 3 KiNNEDY ap- peared a8 if he was starting to say something, but 1f anything was actually said, the nois e of the crjowd prevent ed CURTIN from understanding it. 71 ely ================================================== Page 32 ================================================== 3 Nk44-872 CURTIN stated that during #he next few minutes he was in a state of near shock but recalls the pre88 and television commentators around him asking questions and following him wherever he Went in the corridor. At this time an individual who identified himself a8 STU BLOCK came to CURTIN' s assistance and took him upstairs in the hotel away from the press and television commentators _ CURTIN stated that BLOCK told him that he Was from San Diego and was a member of the KENNEDY staff While upstairs in the hotel, CURTIN was also assisted by STEPHSN SMTTH , a KENNIDY staff member CURTIN provided the following description of hinself: Race White Sex Male Date of Birth PII Place of Birth Jersey [City, New Jers ey Height 5 feet 102 inches Weight 195 pounds Eyes Blue Hair Light brown Distinguishing Characteristics Wears full mustache Father PTTER PAUL CURTIN, SR _ Mother Dec eased Brother PRTIR PAUL CURTIN, JR , Age 26 Sister MAURA CTRTIN , age 19 Military Service United Scates Marine Corps Septemblr 1965 to April 1966 Medical discharge under honorable conditions because of ulcers Clothing Worn by CURTIN on of June 4-5, 1988t Blue sports coat , light green trouserg, yellow shirt, red tie, light green desert boots, green socks 72 ~ ================================================== Page 33 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date -4H19/68 Mr DOUGLAS DLLTS 2 formerly employed by the United Press International 9 now associated with the public relations firm of CARL BYOIR and associates 5 900 Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles California 9 telephone M47-6421 phoned on July 1968 , following attempts to contact him and advised the 'foilo968g: Mr _ DILTS stated he was at the Ambassador Hotel covering election returns from the early morning of June 5, 1963; however he was in the Embassy Room at the time of shooting of ROBERT F 0 KENNEDY _ When he receilved the news of the shooting, he rushed over to the Embassy Room and jotted down the names of some individuals who might be potlential witnesses _ These individuals were as follows: DAVID ROCHE , white male , 34/ years of age;_5'11" tall 3 165 pounds and from Los Angeles _ He claimed he saw the guy II who shot KENNEDY RICHARD ORFALEA white malel 22 years of age , 5'10" tall 160 pounds 9 dark hair 3 dark complexion, from Los Angeles _ ORFALEA 9 who was in the company of DAVID ROCHE also claimed to have seen the man who shot KENNEDY = Both ROCHE and ORFALEA claimed that they had seen the man thought to be SIRHAN in the Embassy Room near the podium. LIBBY RESNICK , 41 years of age 9 tall 110 pounds 9 short dark hair medium build 9 from Los Angeles She claimed she had seen person who was taken ouf by the police, earlier in the Embassy Room . DILTS said he was in a hurry and did not get the street addresses or telephone numbers of these individuals _ On 79/68_ at Ios_Angeles Californlia_File # Ios_Angeles_56_156 73 SA LESLIE F WARREN, mdm Date dictated 710/68 by neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to This document contains your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency_ 5'2" ================================================== Page 34 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) 1 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION 10/2/68 ROBERT E ERNST 2 43604 North 22nd Dtteet Weat ,_Lancasters California, ~phone 948-2955, was interviewed at the Antelope Valley 1600 West Avenue Lancaster , where he is employed as the hosp= administrator. ERNST stated he was a at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles , California, from about gue8t p June 4, 1968, to 9.00 8.m. June 6, 1968 He said he was there to attenar 8 meeting of the American College of Hospital Administrators which was to be held at the hotel. ERNST stated he walked into the lobby of the hotel in the early part of the evening on June 4, but due to the large crowd of people he decided to return to his room He said he therefore went to his room and watched the appearance of Senator ROBERT KENNEDY on television. ERNST advised further that he does not know SIRHAN SIRHAN and does not recall ever seeing him until his picture ap- 6 peared in the news media ERNST said he did not attend any of the American College of Hospital Administrators! meetings as he preferred to remain close to the television and keep abreast of Senator KENNEDY 8 condition. On 9/234/68 at Lancasters California File # Ios_Angeles_56_156 74 by SA CURTIS H HQLT/kap Date dictated 9/27/68 This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. Gospitabital J.> its ================================================== Page 35 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 877768 GLORIA RARR, 12040 Salem Drive Granada Hills, California, phone number 363-1641, furnished the following information with respect to her knowledge of the events of June 4 , 1968 , and June 5, 1968 , at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles _ 9 where Senator ROBERT p KENNEDY was shot . She stated that she was rt a supporter of Senator KENNEDY , however_ 9 she wanted to see him in person and to witness the reported charisma and charm which he exudes At approxima 11 30 pm on June 4 1968_ she went to the Ambassador Hotel with VERNON THOMPSON_ 3 an NBC electronics technician and parked the car at the rear of the Ambassador They went to the Ballroom located underneath the Embassy Room in the hopes of seeing the Senator but when he did not arrive by 11;45 pm THOMPSON left to see where he was and came back and said that the Senator would be upstairs THOMPSON told her that he had gone to the NBC truck located outside the building 9 where he saw the Senator appear in the upstairs Ballroom on the television monitors located in the truck They then went up the stairs leading to the Embassy Room and entered the Embassy Room 3 passing by a guard who did not challenge them They took up a position approximately four people deep from the front of the tform and just to the Senator 8 right _ Just before the Senator finished his speech, a cordon of men formed to the Senator' 8 right 91 leading from the platform steps in the direction of the press area She then went to the area at the bottom of the steps and stood directly behind an individual whom she described as being 3 white male, with a dark swarthy complexion, dressed in a blue wooly sports coat, light blue shirt and light blue slacks Tni8 individual himself was part of the cordon_ She tried to get through him, but he would not let her through; however_ another large man was about to barge through When this happened she told the person in front of her "How come you didn' t let me through when you just 1 let that person through or words to that effect . There Granada Hill8, On 8/5/68 at California File # Ios Angeles_ 56-156 75 by SA DAVID H coOKZcld Date dictated 84/7/68 Thi8 document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It is the property of the FBI &nd is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency _ tely they pla ================================================== Page 36 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 were individuals standing on the platform step8. One individual who was standing on the second step: pushed aside the crepe paper with his foot and &he wondered what he Vaz doing: but decided that there Wvere perhaps some television cables down there He did this on two occasions , once approrimately three minutes before the Senator finished his speech and the other time just a few seconds before the speech ended _ The Senator did not come through the cordon of men which was established for him, but exited the Ballroom through S Ome curtains to the rear of the Ballroom Moments later she heard four rapid and distinct cracks which sounded m1 like crackers She then heard screams and shouts that the Senator had been shot_ 9 but she did not believe this until she saw a young girl proceeding from the kitchen area with the look of stark terror in her eyes She tried to go into the kitchen area and was pushed into a corner by the crowd which exerted Rressure from both directions: She heard a request for a doctor and then one young woman who said she was a nurse was able to through Since she_ 9 FARR, was also a nurse, she wa 8 al80 able to in the kitchen passalgeway where she observed three wounded men One Ta8 sitting in a chair with his chest area covered with blood and thel nurse who had proceeded her into the aiea was applying an orange scarf to the area of the wound The second was a slender young man sitting in a chair with an ashen Iface_ She did not observe any visible wounds The third wa8 a middle aged man who wa8 bleeding extensively fromi the head and Tho was lying in a pool of blood on the floor She attempted to administer aid for him and asked the Waiter where she could obtain a tray of ice. She obtained ice Trom the ice ma chine in the passageway , but a8 shel was returning to the victim someone took it from her and Ichrew it away , saying 9 M What do we need that fori There wetre s creams in the area and due to the confusion in the area she panicked and started to cry_ She then heard someone say don t need that , get her out of here 76 "fire get get "we ================================================== Page 37 ================================================== 3 LA 56-156 She observed Senator KENNEDY lying on the floor and one eye was open slightly more than the other. He appeared conscious $ but she saw no blood on him, 80 she a8sumed that he was all right _ She returned . in the kitchen area until the Senator was wheeled away some ambulance attendants and then she returned to the main Ballroom where she told everyone that the Senator was all right _ She later returned to her parked car with THOMPSON and discusged seeing the individual on the platform steps poking under the platform with his shoe They then went back to the Ballroom and observed the bracing under the steps was very narrow 9 being approximately one foot wide She went with THOMPSON to the NBC Burbank Studios and stayed there until approximately 4:00 am . She stated that she telephonically contacted the Los Angeles Police Department and informed the department about what she had seen in the Ballroom for whatever 8ignificance it would have in their investigation She wa: shown photographs of SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN taken following his apprehension and she advised that the individual who stood in front of her at the bottom of the tform steps in her opinion 9 18 not identical to SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN . She stated that in a previous int erview an officer of the Los Angeles Police Department had shown her other photo_ graphs of SIRHAN BISHARA STRHAN _ 9 who Tas dressed up at the time and she does not consider those photographs shown as being identical to SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN either She also saw photographs of the brothers of SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN , and she recalls that the photograph of ADEL SIRHAN is a likene88 , however, she does not feel chat ADEL 1s identical with the individual who was in front of her _ 77 by they pla ================================================== Page 38 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date 9/19/68 MAXIE FILER , 542 West Arbutus Compton_ ) California, upon interview 5 supplied the following information: FILER advised that on the night of June 4 , 1968, he was at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles , California 9 for the Senator KENNEDY victory celebration in the California Primary Elections FILER stated that at the time of the shooting, he was in another room some distance from the Embassy Room where Senator KENNEDY was shot He advised that he couid provide no information of value regarding the activities surrounding the shooting either prior during or after the assassination_ 78 On 9/17/68 at Los Angeles California File # Los_Angeles_ 56-156 by SA GEORGE M. KLING /1av Date dictated 9/17/68 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and itg contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. to, ================================================== Page 39 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 7/31/63 RICHARD JOHI FRICK , 205 North Armel 9 age 21 advised during the previous bemester 9 he was Working For "Students for KENNEDY" at the University of California &t Santa Barbara _ He advised a8 follows: On June 4 1968 , he departea Santa Barbara, California, arriving at Los Angeles about 10:00 p:m. and went to the Ambassador Hotel He met a friend and obtained a Press Pass 80 that he could go to .the Embessy Room , but first he visited the KENNEDY suite on the Fifth floor and talked briefly to Mrs KENNEDY there Then he went downstairs with the KENNEDY_party , and a3 he entered the Embassy Room, he and his girl friend 9 VAIERIE SCHULTE 9 from Santa Barbara , were challenged by security guards They would not let the girl into the room and also attempted to exclude several cameramen , but they finally let him through with the Press Paes During Senator KENNEDY 8 speech ) he stood about twenty feet in front of the platform, and as KENEDY exited from the platform, he attempted to follow him but could not get very close because of the crowd and the number of newsmen who were pushing ahead of him. He did not see KENNEDY again until after the shooting. He was about twenty or more feet behind the KENNEDY party in the corridor when he heard what he bhought were either shots or the slamming of refrigerator doors in the kitchen Next , he heard someone shout to the effect that KENNEDY had been shot, and persons he believed to be KENNEDY aides were screaming for people to get out There was much shoving as the crowd surged forward and he could see cameramen with television lights focusing on somebody on the floor_ There was complete confusion and 8omeone hit him in the left ribs He saw Mr SCHRADE lying on the floor, and at this time there were about twenty-five or thirty persons in that area_ He worked his waj close to the left wall and within a few feet of where the Senator was lying on the floor On 729/68 at Covina California File # Los_Angeles_56_156 79 by SA FERD J RAPP Jr. /eb 'Date dictated 72o/68 Thig document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI, It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it ad its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency_ got ================================================== Page 40 ================================================== 2 IA 56-156 A Negro doctor came in and began to administer to Mr SCHRADE , and someone insisted that he look at the Senator At this point he saw his girl friend VAL RRIE SCHULTE 9 standing near IRA GOLDSTEIN who was wounded _ Shortly thereafter, someone placed partitionb around the wounded Senator 9 and he could not see hin again 9 but he stayed in this room for one hour 9 staying near his friend VALERTE who was very upset and who was sitting on the floor She was recuperating because of a broken leg. He did not see SIRHAN SIRHAN at al1 and was not a witness to the shooting The_only other witness he knew in that room wa: NANCY WALLACE 9 nee Webber She recently married JOHN WALLACE and at present 18 living in San Francisco where her husband attends the University Of California at San Francisco, Dentistry School . 80 girl ================================================== Page 41 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date 79/68 SUE HARRIS 10280 Cheviot Drive , Los Angeles 90064 9 telephone 273-0418, telephoned the Log Angeles Office of the FBI following attemp ts to contact her for an appointment and related the following: SUE HARRIS during the recent campaign of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY acted as secretary for DICK KLINE Press Relations Manager for Senator: KENNEDY in the Los Angeles area HARRIS just prior to the time that Senator KENNEDY was shot at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles was in the Press Room set up for the KENNEDY campaign party at the hotel When Senator KENNEDY was about halfway through his speech in the Embassy Room 9 she went to her room in the hotel to pack and prepare to leave When she returned to the area of the Embassy Room 9 she learned that Senator KENNEDY had been shot The Los Angeles Police Depertment (LAPD) had talked to SUE HARRLS and she had furnished an address book of individuals who Were connected with the KENNEDY campaign staff HARRIS stated that she had a boy friend HARVEY PE PPER , who had been in the Embassy Room at the time of the shooting and had stated to her that he had been really close to the shooting_ She did not know whether HARVEY PEPPER had been interviewed in this matter the FBI She was of the opinion that the Police Department had interviewed Mr PEPPER who lived in an apartment on Kings Road near Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles , telephone 653-5366. On 7 [23/68 at Los Angeles Celifornia File # Ios_Angeles_56_156 81 by SA LESLIE p WARREN/ek_ Date dictated 723/63 This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI: It i8 the property of the FBI ad is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency_ by ================================================== Page 42 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) 1 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION 8/2/68 ROBERT M. XLASE , 7800 > Van Nuys 2 California 3 was interviewed at his Slepifce)d yipueyuat " place 3850 Wilshire Boulevard , at which time he furnished the following information He himgelf was not 8 volunteer for the Kennedy Committee, however 9 he and his wife are good friends of' JUDY ROYER and on the night of June 4 , 1968 9 they went to the Ambasgador Hotel to await the results of the California primary election They arrived at epproximately 7:30 PM and, with the use of some blue passes which JUDY ROYER had obtained for them, they went to the Embassy Room of the hotel KLASE and his wife spent mos t of the evening in the Embassy Room but at approximately 1l:00 PM he left the room to get some drinks After leaving the room, the security guard at the main entrance refused to let him in because the room had become crowded In an effort to reenter the room, he went through the kitchen area. At that time, he did not notice anyone in the kitchen_ Upon reentering the Embassy Room, he went to the area where the ABC television cameras were set up to await the arrival of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY _ While wa iting in the vicinity of the television cameras 8 man who was monitoring one of the doors adjacent to the podium on which Senator KENNEDY was to give his speech, asked him if he would mind watching the door for a few minutes _ KLASE consented to watch the door and while doing 80 he observed a man who was later identified to him a8 SIRHAN BLSHA RA SIRHAN attempting to pass through the door_ As SIRHAN &ttenpted to go through the door_ 9 KLASE tapped him on the shoulder and said that no one was allowed in; the area other than menbers of the ABC staff_ At this point 9 SIRHAN turned around and went back into the central area of the Embassy Room. At the time KLASE obgerved him, he was wearing a light blue pullover shirt and blue wash trousers_ SIRHAN did not have a jacket on &nd KLASE observed that since the shirt and trousers were tight fitting it wa8 unlikely that SIRHAN had a gun in his possess ion at this time_ On 7/30/68 at Los Angeles California_ File # Los Angeles 56-156 82 SA RICHARD P. DOUCETTE / jmb 8/1/68 by Date dictated This document containg neither recommendationg nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it ad its contents are 'not to be distributed outgide your agency_ ================================================== Page 43 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 Approrimately one half hour after the incident involving 8IRHAN 9 Senator KENNEDY arrived to give his victory speech On the arrival of Senator KENNEDY one of the doors which KLASE had previously been watching was opened direc in front of him and he was unable to see Senator KENNEDY _ After listening to the Senator for a few minutes he left the Embassy Room; passed through the kitchen and went to the Colonial Room While passing through the area of the kitchen, he met JUDY ROYER and she ac companied him to the Colonial Room _ Upon arrival at the Colonial Room they watched the Senator on television for a few minutes and then dec ided to try to return to the Embassy Room by means of the kitchen area As he and ROYER were walking through the kitchen, they saw the crowd moving cowards the Colonial Room and realized that Senator KENNEDY had finighed his speech and was now making his way towards the Colonial Room by way of the kitchen area Since Wanted to avoid the crowd surrounding Senator KENNEDY 9 they both turned around and were making their way back towards the Colonial Room when KLASE heard several loud pops which sounded like firecrackers At this point , he was approximately 30 feet from Senator KENNEDY and he could not ac tually see the Senator_ However he did see people pushing and struggling with someone At this point there was a great deal of shouting and someone yelled that the door should be watched and no one be allowed to come in KLASE went to the door of the Colonial Room and refuged to allOw anyone entrance into the kitchen area After standing at the door to the Colonial Room for a few minutes one the 8ecurity guards came by and KLASE asked him to keep the people from coming into the kitchen area He then attempted to go to the area where the shooting had occurred but because of the crowd he wa; unable to see any of the injured people While standing in the vicinity of the Colonial Roon door_ he observed officers of the Los Angeles Police Department taking SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN out of the area At this point_ he unquestionably recognized S LRFIAN a0 trie same ma.n that Ye had 83- 7 tly they f ================================================== Page 44 ================================================== 3 IA 56-156 seen earlier attempting to pas s through the doors in the a rea of the ABC television cameras KLASE stated that during the time he was in the kitchen; just prior to the arrival of Senator KENNEDY and the shooting he noticed some of the cooks and waiters in the area , but did not see SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN_ KLASE further stated that while he was in the kitchen area his wife remained in the main portion of the Embassy Room and did not See SIRHAN BISHARA SERHAN _ 84 ================================================== Page 45 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION 8/9/68 INNGARD MITCHELL, 1190 South Kenbeteon__#ho i8 employed 88 a Sales Clerk, Evening Gown Department , of the Company Department Store, Wilshire and" Fairfax, Los Angeles , California, advised the following: INNGARD MTITCHELL had attended the Senator ROBERT F_ KENNEDY party at the Ambassador Hotel on the evening of June 4373988" 4 and the morning of June 5, She was in the Embassy Room at the time that Senator KENNEDY was shot. She did not see the shooting nor did she 8ee SIRHAN SIRHAN and has no recollection of seeing anyone resembling SIRHAN STRHAN . MITCHLL said that she had talked to 8 female who was in the Embassy Room at the time of the shooting, who had claimed that she had seen a person she thought to be SIRHAN SIRHAN in the Embassy Room prior to the shooting, but she did not know this person 8 name and could not furnish a good description at thig point except she was a Caucas1an_ MITCHELL said that the Los Angeles Police had questioned her at the Ambagsador Hotel shortly following the shooting, at the time that they were 8eeking witnesses_ Later 3 Sergeant from the Los Angeles Police Department had contacted her and she had given him all 0f the negatives of the pictures she had taken during the evening_ She could not recall the full name of the Sergeant but &e had said the phonetic spelling Of che last name Was XARCHATI. On 84/64/68 at _ Los_ Angeles, California ~File # Los Angeles_56_156_ 85 SA LESLIE F WARREN/mlj 8/8/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it &nd its contents are not to be distributed outgide your agency. May 1968_ ================================================== Page 46 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 8/13/68_ Mr ALBERT ORFA LEA 4131 Adlon Place, Encino, California_ J advised the following He stated his 8on, RICHARD ORFA LEA who had attended the Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY campaign party at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles_ 9 on the evening of June 4, 1968_ and the 2.m_ of June 5, 1968 , was not res iding in the Los Angeles area He at this time, Wa8 in the Phoenix, Arizona area on a United States Air Force Reserve two-week training progran RICHARD is scheduled to return to his residence at 455 Street , San Francisco, California, telephone (415) 771-7052, on August 12, 1968 _ RICHARD is employed in the International Department of the Bank of' America in San Francisco. Mr ORFA LEA said that on the basis of what RICHARD had related following the assas8ination of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY RICHARD had not actually obs erved the shooting_ There had been 8 ome epeculation conc erning whether or not RICHARD had obs erved SIRHAN SIRHAN in the Embassy Room at the Ambassador Hotel prior to the shooting. Concerning the identity of DAVID ROCHE, who reportedly had been in the company of RICHARD ORFA LEA Mr ALBERT ORFA LEA 8aid that he did not know' DAVID ROCHE by name or description but that RICHARD could possibly identify DAVID ROCHE _ On 812168 at Encino California File # _ Los_Angeles_56_156 86 by SA LESLIE p WARRENeb Date dictated 8/84//68 This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are 'not to be digtributed outside your agency_ Eady ================================================== Page 47 ================================================== FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 8 /15/6 8 Date RICHARD ORFALEA 9 455 Eddy Street 9 teleplone 771- 7052 5 furnished the following information: ORFALEA 18 presently 3 trainee in the International Banking Departient of the Bank of Anerica and temporarily assigned to the Colunbus Branch of the Bank of America at 1455 Stockton Street 9 San Francisco On the night of June 1968 5 following the primary elections in the State of California 9 ORFALEA and a friend 9 PATRICK MC LAUGHLIN 9 went to the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles 9 California 9 about 9 : 00 P .m On that evening the Ambassador Hotel was the location of victory celebrations being held by the various succes8ful candidates in the primary elections During the course of the evening 3 ORFALEA and MC LAUGHLIN visited several of the different celebrations and were the recipients of a number of free drinks being offered_ About 11:00 P.I = ORFALEA was in the Embassy Room of the Ambassador Hotel 9 which was the scene of the victory celebration of Senator ROBERT KENNEDY At that particular time ORFALEA was alone and noticed 3 young man standing along the side of the room off to the right of the speaker S form This individual seemed out of place a5 he was dressed shabbily and appeared to be of foreign extraction 9 possibly Cuban He was probably about 22 to 24 years of age , approxi- mately 5 ' 5 " tall, had dark eyes dark hair 9 and was of slight build He was wearing a nylon-type jacket similar to 3 wind- breaker 5 but ORFALEA does not recall the color of the jacket. MC LAUGHLIN later joined ORFALEA in the Embassy Room ; however , he did not see the indiviaual referred to by ORFALEA Sonetime after Senator KENNEDY had finished speaking 3 there was 2 commotion in the room and ORFALEA heard someone what he thought was the word fire 1? At thig Doint MC LAUGHLIN suggested that they leave the Embassy Room They then went Over-to a room on the Same floor were ~candidate 8 /14/68 San Francisco , California SF 62-5481 On at File # 87 SA ROBERT B RERRINGTON Sm 8 /15 /6 8 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are 'not to be distributed outside your agency. 4 9 plat- yell ================================================== Page 48 ================================================== 2 SF 62-5481 RSR sm ALAN CRANSTON was having a victory celebration Upon entering this roon they learned from conversation that some- one had been shot_ MC LAUGHLIN suggested that they go over by the telephone booths on the second floor a3 there would be reporters congregating in that area and they might learn who had been shot went to the telephone booths and talked to an unknown reporter who told then Senator KENNEDY had been shot. About this time a security officer 5 who was not 3 Los Angeles Police Officer came by with a young who appeared to have his hands handcuffed behind his back This was of foreign extraction , short and of slim build_ ORFALEA could furnish no further description of the individual At the time ORFALEA was of the opinion this individual was the same person he had seen earlier in the e vening in the Embassy Room and who appeared to be out of Place However 9 he now is not sure that it was the same individual_ ORFALEA was shown three pictures of SIRHAN SIRHAN , and after studying these pictures stated that the strange individual he saw in the Embassy Room about 11:00 P.m = on the night of June 4 9 196 8 9 could possibly have been SIRHAN SIRIIAN but that he i8 rather about the matter at this time and cannot be certain 88 They boy boy hazy ================================================== Page 49 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 Date 8/19/68 Miss VALERTE SCHULTE , interviewed &t her temporary residence Apartment 3, 6587 Del Playa , furnished the following information: She Was, during the past year a student , at University of California , Santa Barbara (UCSB) During this past spring, she was Headquarters Manager of the Kennedy for President Head - quarters in Isla Vista which is adjacent to the UCSB campus On the night of June 4 , 1968_ she , and others on the staff worked at the headquarters untii about 8:00 P.M_ and then went t0 Los Angeles to join in the festivities at the Ambassador Hotel where Senator KENNEDY had his headquarters on the fifth floor_ They arrived at the hotel at approximately 10.00 P M. and went to their rooms on the third floor of the hotel After "partying" awhile a couple of the girls in the group went to the fifth floor to the KENNEDY headquarters and when they came down they heard that Senator KENNEDY was going to leave his room and go to the ballroom on the first floor _ She 9 and several others, decided to go to the fifth floor where they could get a look at Senator KENNEDY _ They took the elevator and when they arrived at the fifth floor and the doors opened, a rush of reporters into the elevator kept them from getting off The reporters said that Senator KENNEDY had gone down to the main floor 80 stayed on the elevator and went to the first floor They then learned that Senator KENNEDY had gone into the Emba8sy Room at the hotel to greet the crowd _ On the elevator she met DICK FRICK anocher member of the Isla Vista group of workers FRICK had a press pass and he went into the Embassy Room with the pre8s _ She wa8 not allowed in the room a8 she did not have a pass _ Miss SCHULE stated that she wa 8 on crutches from a recent leg operation and did not want to get into the press of the crowd a8 she had very poor balance and she was afraid of getting lmocked down and crushed At the door of the Embassv Room she saw state Senator BEILENSON and {118 Wife. She recognized 8/13/68 Goleta, California File # Los Angeles_56-156 On at 89 SA JAMES A NORT ON / dac Date dictated 813/68 by conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to This document contains neither reconmendationstno it &d its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. your agency; they ================================================== Page 50 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 them a8 she had met them before They al8o could not get in the Embassy Room, however the becurity guard on the door told them of another waj into the room This way was through the back way and through a pantrv apparently somewhere near the kitchen She asked BE TLENSON if she could along" with him and his wife_ She followed BEILENSON into the pantry and through a door into the Embassy Room, which put them into the room about four to five feet from the stage There wa8 a tremendous crowd in the room and after listening to Senator IENNEDY speak she dec ided that she should out of the way before he left and the crowd kocked her down _ She then lefx the room and took a position where she thought she would be able to 8ee Mr KENNEDY and still be out of the middle of the crowd She felt that he would leave from the front of the stage and pa8s through two lines of volunteer workers who appeared to be forming a pagsage - way for hin_ She left the room and went into one of the small rooms just off the stage entrance In a few moment: she saw Mr KENNEDY abouc three to four feec from her_ He apparentlyhad left the etage by a different rouce than had been planned , Mr KENNEDY wa8 leaving the Embassy Room via the back way , which was the way she came into the room _ While Mr KENNEDY was leaving,the room, he wa8 tallring and shaking hands and she "tagged along in the crowa behind. She wa8 about four to five feet from Mr KENNEDY when she 82W him curn to either greet or shake hands with a group of kitchen worlrers who were lined against the wall of the corridor At almost the same time she saw a gun in che hands of a man who seemed to be reaching tovard Mr KENNEDY and pointing the gun at him She noted that it was a small gun, black in color, and with a very short barrel She thought at first it wa8 a and then she heard what she later learned were shots She still did not realize what was happening She saw the gun and the man holding it and he seemed to Ireep shooting and shooting She wa8 noc sure how many shocs she heard but felt there must ha ve been at least six She then realized there was shooting and felt that 8omeone wa8 going to shoot everyone in the room_ It appeared *0 5 ' 90 'tag get toy

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