Transcript of 166-12c-1_serial_2_62-hq-587_la_report_2.7.69-part_3_of_5.pdf
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FD-30? (Rav. 4.15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date
December 4 _ 1968
On November 27 1968 Mr MAX KELLY 140
Ensenda Dr ive Carpentersville, Illinois advised he was
formerly employed by CBS news 2s 8 film editor untii April_
1968_
2
when he retired on 2 pension due to multiple sclerosis_
He stated he has never stayed at the Ambassador
Hotel Los Angeles , California. The only coverage of ROBERT
KENNEDY he was ever involved in Was when KENNEDY made 2
trip to Mexico _
At the time the assassination of ROBERT KENNEDY
took place KELLY stated he was in his wheelchair at the
above residence
He cou ld furnish no additional information
regarding this matter
95
11/27/68 Carpentersville , Illinois CG 89-61
a File #
SA LEROY D, FEDERLE / 1ec 11/29/68
by Date dictated_
AIsThis documeit canloins neither recommendations nor' conclusions of the FB}: It is he property of Jhe FBI and: Is loaned. lo' Your agency;
#tond its contenls are nof Io be distributed oulside Your agoncy.
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date November 52 1968
DAVID KINZER Illinois HoSpital Association,
820 North Lake Shore Drive Chicago
2
advised he was at the
Amba ssador Hotel, Los
'ies
3
the night of June 4, 1968
He advised in the early evening he had rented a car and
visited friends in suburban Los Angeles and returned to
the hotel a round 10:30 P . m He stated there was a large
crowd in the lobby, and he was una ble to enter the . Embassy
Room
9
where Senator KENNEDY was to appear. He advised
after a half hour of waiting around in the lobby
2
he went
to his room and went to bed
He advised he learned Senator KENNEDY had been
shot the next morning
9
when his wife called from Chicago
and informed hin
KINZER advised he had not seen SIRHAN SIRHAN in
the hotel and had heard no thing regarding
a conspiracy to
kill Senator KENNEDY
96'
On
11L5/68
ot
Chicago Illinois
File #_
CG 89-61
Ly 54 (xEISU E. BCSE 1 nss Dote dictated_ L1LL5L68
This dqcumcnt containg naitncr {ecommendations nor conclusions 0f the F6I, | is the property of the FBI and is Iooncd t0 Your agency:
1 I1 confonis Urq nof t9 bo disfrlbufod putsldo Your ogoncy.
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FD-302 (Rov.'4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1 11/19/68
Date
Mr . JOSEPH KUBAY , 421 Chestnut Street, Johnstown,
Pa . , advised that he and his wife were part of a Greyhound
tour which arrived in Los Angeles on June 4, 1968 _ He
advised that they had reserva tions a t the Ambassador Hotel in
Los Angeles_
1
and tha t they arrived in their room at approxi-
na 4:00 P. m 0 on June 4, 1968 _ He sta ted that when
leaving the following they learned of the assassination
of ROBERT KENNEDY , and that saw nothing unusual while
in the hotel_
11/15/68 Johnstown, Pa
97
Pittsburgh 44-583
On_ File
SA JOHN S HUGHES nju 11/19/68
by Date dictated
This documeni conloin: neilher recommendolions nor conclusions of Ihe FBI: | is Ihe property ol Ihe FBl ond Is loanod to agency;
iond ils conlents ore nol to be distribuled outside Your ogency-
tely
day ,
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FD 902 (Rov. 416-64
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1 Date
11/19/68
Mrs JOSEPH KUBAY , 421 Chestnut Street, Johns
Pa . ; advised that she and her husba nd were part of a Greyhound
tour which arrived in Los Angeles on June 4, 1968 She
advised that they had reservations at the Ambassador Hotel in
LoS Angeles and that they arrived in their room a t a pproxi-
ma tely 4:00 p. on June 4 , 1968_ She stated tha t mhen
leaving the following learned of the assassina tion
of ROBERT KENNEDY , and that they saw nothing unusual while in
the hotel_
98
11/15/68 Johns Pa Pittsburgh 44-583
On_ File #_
SA JOHN S. HUGHES nju 11/19/68
by Date dictated
This document conloins necilher recommendolions nor conclusions ol Ihe FBL: |l is the properly ol the FBI ond is loaned to ogency;
#ond ils conterls are nol to be diskributed outside Your agency.
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64 )
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
10/11/68
Date
ROGER LEWIS, employed by the BERL I BARNHARD
laWv firm 8.t 1876 Connecticut Avenue North West ,
Washington, D. C _ furnished the following information:
LEWIS was 8
Volunteer doing advance work for
the late Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY S campaign in California
during the early part of June During the evening
of June 4
9
1968, LEWIS was in the Enbassy Ballroom but
LEWIS returned to his room in the Ambassador Hotel and
watched television coverage LEWIS said he went to sleep
with the television on and awoke to the news on television
KENNEDY had been shot _
LEWIS said he did not travel with the KENNEDY
party in any of the other primary campaigns He was shown
a photograph of SIRHAN SIRHAN and LEWIS s8id he could not
recall ever having seen hin_
LEWIS added he had been with the KENNEDY party
a Disneyland and a& two rallies hela in e outside
the Cocoanut Grove in Los Angeles
5
Californie _ LEWIS
said the kitchen route in the Ambassador Hotel had been
suggested and shown to the late Senator ROBERT KENNEDY
8s a good wa;y to from the Cocoanut Grove to the' Palm
Courc prior to one of the above rallies LEWIS was with
the late Senator ROBERT KENNEDY and ETHEL KENNEDY when
this was done _
L06
On
10/11/68
at
Washington, D. C .
File #
WFO 173-135
by
SA ROGER D_ ASHLAND : RDA: rda Date dictated
10/11/68
This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to
your agency; it and its contents ae not to be distributed outside your agency.
1968 _
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FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 )
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date
11/13/68
DANIEL DS MC GURL, 51 Forster Road , Manchester,
Massachusetts , provided the following information:
He and his wife were guests at the Ambassador
Hotel Los Angeles , California, from Jine 2, 1968 to
June
4, 1968 when they left for Las Vegas He
dia
not
witness the killing of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY
9
and the
first he knew of it W3s from watching television in Las
Vegas
He and his wife have never seen SIRHAN B SIRHAN
9
have n0 information concerning a possible conspirecy on the part
of SIRHAN
9
and can provide no pertinent information concerning
this matter.
101
Telephonically
On
11/8/68
at Manchester Massachusetts File #
Boston 44-646
SA CARL J_ EVENSEN /rem 11/8/68
by Date dictated
This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to
your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date
11/13/68
Mrs _ DANIEL Da MC GURL
)
51 Forster Road,
Manchester, Massachusetts , provided the following
information:
She and her husband were guests at the
Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles
9
California, from June; 2,
1968_
9
80 June 4 , 1968
2
when thej left for Las Vegas _
She did not witness the killing of Senator ROBERT F
KENNEDY
5
and the first she knew of it was from watching
television in Las Vegas _
She and her husband have never seen SIRHAN B
SIRHAN
9
have no information concerning a possible conspiracy
on the part of SIRHAN
9
and can provide no pertinent information
concerning this matter
102
Telephonically
On
11/8/68_ atManchester Masgachusetts
File # Boston 44-646
by SA CARL J EVENSEN rer Date dictated
11/8/68'
This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to
your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.
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FEDERALZURAUcFINVESTGATON
Date Novenber 15 1968
Mrs SARVEY MILLER Rt_ Kempton
>
Pa .
>
advised
she ana her husband were guests at the Ambassador Hotel ,
Los Angeles
7
Calif_
' } on June 4 , 196 8 were ncmbers
of thc Berry Tour out of Chicago . 'Ihe group consisted of
approximately twenty persons
They were not ssigned roons in the main part 0f
the hotel, but were staying in some of the hotel cottages
She Was not aware, nor was her husband of any activity
which occurred in tne main section of the hotel , inasmuch a5
did noj EO into ihe hoiel during their two-day visit
103
On 11/12/68
8i Kezezen Pi FIle # Philadelphia 6 2_4929
by
34 TTo T AEI3Land Date dictated
11/15/68
Thig docum emi cumuins ucithsr recommendorioms no: {ofciusims af the FBIr is te property of Ihu F3i ond [s loaned t0 Your ogency;
iload ils contenks crc nofo be distrlbu;od oul. & 0 Your Ggency
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FL-J0? (6ev: 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BureAU OfinVESTIcATION
11/12/68
Date
JOSEPH E_ MOHBAT , 1754 Corcoran, N , Washington
:
C e wa : interviewed and furnished the following infornation:
He stated he wa 5 as8igned to the KENEDY campa ign
for 4e durc_ion 8s a reporter for Agsociated Press_ The night
of the shooting he had another assignment which took hin away
fron the Ambassador Hotel and he did not back there unttl
after the shootinge He Said he had never seen SIRHAN or the
in the dot dress at any time: MOFBAT stated he
could be of n0 in this matter,
104
On
11/8/68
ai_
Keshington D. C, Fileaf
WFo. 173-135
SA ROBIIEI P PEZTY : sjp 11712/68
by Dare' dictated_
-ccinins ~allher raron mandalicn; nor conclusions % Ihe F8i: I; I 4v crcperty .0} tho F8l ond I: laoned Ic YGur Qgancy;
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIQN
Date_
11/29/68
WILLIAM ' MURPHY who resides on Trinity Pass , Tow
Bridges New York, advised that he wa $ employed by the
advertising agency Qf Papert Lois end Koenig and ias in Los
Angeles at the time of the murder of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY
He advised that at the_time of the murder he wa not in the
Enbassy ROOinl 0f the Ambassador Hotel but had retired early since
he had an early flight in the morning
MURPHY advised that during his assocation with the
work perfom ed by the egency for Senator KENNEDY he had never
observed SIRHAN B . SIRHAN before
The following is a
physical description of WILLIAM
MURPHY :
Rece White
Sex Male
Date 0i Birth PII
Place of Birth Jersey City, New Jersey
Ii Heignt 5'11
Weight 160
Hair Brown
Eyes Blue
Marital Stetus Married
Military Service United states Navy ,
1945-1946
Militery Serial Number
Arrest None admitted _
105
11/21/68 777 Third Avenue, New York NY 44-1640
On a -File #_
SA FREDERICK J _ LONERGAN, mmh 11/21/68
by Date dictafed
This documcnt contoin; neither recommendalions nor conclusions 0f Ihe FBL: II is Ihe preporty of Iho FBI ond is looned to Your ogency;
il ond its contents are nol to be distributed-oulside Your ogency
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FD-302 (Rov. 1-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
12/6/68
Date
Mrs PHYLLIS MYERS , 662 Winggate Drive , advised as
follows :
Early in June , 1968
3
she and her two sisters , Mrs _ NORMAN
YERETSKY and Mrs CHARLOTTE CHERRY , went to Los Angeles because
of the illness of their mother The two sisters registered at
the Ambassador Hotel, but she did not register herself , a8 she
just slept in an extra bed that was in the roon
They were in the Coffee at the hotel on the night
that Senator KENNEDY was killed
9
but they leftjust before mid-
night and went to their room They noticed nothing unusual
or suspicious at that time did not hear about the shoot-
until they woke up the following morning They . did hear a
lot of noise in the hall after went to their room but they
did not think anything about it.
She knows nothing at all concerning the shooting of Senator
KENNEDY
106
LA 56-156
12/3/68 Sunnyvale
5
California SF 62-5481
On at File #
GEORGE HARTLEY 1 ER 12/5/68
by Date dictated
Thie document contains neither recommendation8 nor conclugion8 of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and i8 loaned to
your agency; it and it8 contente are not to be diatributed outaide your agency.
Shop_
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7e ~1554
Federial BureaU €v EnvesiceTow'
Dcta
November 27, 1963
ji" . Car1 Pelleeic, reworter, Nev Yorr Post, 75 West Street ,
New Yori, New York eteted tnac ne lert New York for Log Angeles ,
Calirornia arter Jenator fcbert Kernedy had been shot Pelleek
wab sent to the Ambeeador Hotel to cover the story of the
shooting. ie doeg not iom Sirhan Sirhan
107
On_1i/zz/e8_ ~a#New_Yori__Nen_Yoti
~Fie
NY44-1640
by
84 Williar j . Rpener/E:
Doro cllcickkod_
11/27/68
Cd
Thls documon} conlains Qulthor racommoncof: _n8 zor CC cluriec: _f %c 4m & efJriv 4; %o F1i urd Iz lounoc' %0 vour Ojency;
It and Itg contonfs Jra nofto bo dlstrlbuio; Cuiio Youf uic;c_
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Dafe _ November 18 1968
PHILLIP W _ PELOQUIN Jr 1161 South Clarence,
Oak Park , Illinois, phone VI 8-06& ? Rdvised ie was not in
the Ambassador Hotel during the night of June 4 , 1968 _ PELOQUIN
advised he had gone to Ca lifornia 29 a0 Advance Man for the
RENNEDY staff. He advised that he checked into the Ambassador
Hotel sometime during the middle of and left on the
morning of June 4 1968
2
for New York
City
He advised that
he was in New York City when he heard the reports of Senator
KENNEDY S assassination PELOQUIN advised that he had not
seen SI RHAN SIRHAN in or around the Ambassador Hotel at any +tlme
while he was there_ He also advised that he had heard nothing
specific regarding 2 conspiracy on Senator KENNEDY s life_
108
On
11/13/68
af
Oak park , Illinois
File #
CG 89-61
SA JOHN B TARPEY / rmk 11/14/68
by Date diclated
This documonf conlains neilher recommendations nor conclusions of Ihe FB4. It is Ihe property of Ihe FBI and Is loaned o Your 09
Ifand ils contents ure nof to b0 distribufed outsid0 Your agency.
May
ency;
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FD.307 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU QF INVESTIGATION
Dale_
December 2 , 1968
CHARLES POLLOCK , Reinsurance Agency
9
141 West
Jackson, Chicago_
2
advised he Was
registered at the Ambassador
Hotel in Los Angeles on June 4, 1968 He advised that
evening he had gone out for dinner and returned co the hotel
45
police
were bringing SIRHAN SIRHAN out He advised he
had not seen the subject Prior io that time and had heard
nothing regarding
a conspiracy on Senator KENNEDY' s life
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11/25/68 Chicago , Illinois CG 89-61
On_ File
SA NELSON E. BOSE DRD 11/25/68
by Date dictated_
This document conioins neilher recommendalions nor conclusions of Ihe FBI. I is Ike properly of Ihe FBI and Is looned t0 Your agency;
Il ond its conlents aro nof lo bo distributed oulside Your ogency-
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R3"02 (Rov. 4.15.24
FEDERAL Rlirea! QF INVESTIGATON
Doic
l2u68
EDWIN 0 , FEIS CHAUR, forner United Statef Imbasgador
8o Japan and Slrzcntly
3 proressor in the Fiscory Deperkment_
farvazd Universit], Cambridga
3
Mageachueetts,_edvised that he
perticipated in rhe campa of United Stetes Senator ROBERL
TCNNEDY in California in June
5
1968 REIS CEAVER ovated
that; he spent; mogt of hfe rime in San Franeisco; ard On che
evening of June . 4, 1968, he retined from San Francisco c0
Lop Angeles ,. ctazing thetz olylong_enqugh to board 2
plane
for Chicago at 8_PM #ith ADAM YAFMOIINSKY , another individuel
who participated in the campa
RIS CHAUER stated he did nok; 3e8 ROCERT F KENNEDY
whlie he Naa in f,s Angeles' and had no
Jrctledge of te
shooting until ne Viaa 80 advised of the incident in Chicegc
FEJS CHAUER Stated, tiat he na8 observed. phoiograpis
0f SIRRAN SIRHAN and hes been unable to ldentify him 95
anyone ba has ever seen previous_
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On_
11/22/68_1t_Canbridge Mazgacnugetts
FWle # Bozton 44-546
by_ 34 JAMESE
8
JEYEXZeb_
Date dlctaled_
11/25/58
This documenl contains neilker recommendolions nor concluslons of Ihe Fbi: "i Is Ibe ?rcparty ol Iko Fei cnd I loonsd 10 Yout Og#nc:
iond Its cocrtents are nct Io bu dIstribuled oulice Your cgeficy.
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FD 302 (iev. 4-15-34
FEDERAL BUREAV CiINVESTGATON
Dafe_
11/27/63
MTCIAEL D ROMAN , 105 Hoodside Drive
9
Creenwich,
Connecticu?
9
attending a `selinara& Harvard Uniyerbity,
Cambridge
9
Massechusetts advised that on June 4, 1968
2
he: wa; ar &he' Bulova Wetch Company Bales meeting: &6 che
Ambausador Hokei_ Ios fngeles , Callfornia
Fe . Baied: thal he was in the Embagsy Roon ar #he
hotel azound mlanight; o2 bhat; date when ROBER KENNEDY
addressed the group in che baliroon . He stated tnat he
renained in the room when KENNEDY and a group departed.and
Ient through the kitchen area ROMAN stated he heard the
shooting and Ia8 subsequently advised KENNEDY had been shot;
ROMAN Stated he did not see" SIRHAN SIRHHN when he
was in custody &nd removed from the hotel He further
stated he saw piciures of SIRHAN and could not identify him
a8 8' person ROMIN had ever seen prevlously
6'
ROMAN} had no rea8o to believe anyone else in the
afea of tha Ambasgador Hotel w2s involved in the ` shooting
incident
111
On_
11/26/[68_at_Cambridge
J
Mesachusetis ~File
BosEon 4l-646
S4 JBNES HARVEXLek Date diclated_
11/26/68
This documenl conio neither recommendalion: nor conclusions ef Ine Fei It is Ihe properiy ol ihe FBI ard is looned Io Yojr agency;
Mland conienis ore nJlfo be distribuled ou'side Your ogency.
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FD-J0? (Rey. 1-25-6 0) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Tecember 2, 1c68
Date
Mrs VIRGINIA Ma SATIR , Kairo'8-Wishing Well ,
Rancho Santa Fe
9
Califernia
9
'advised that she hed been
staying at tre. Anbagsador Hotel Los . Angele8 , fron June 3 ,
through June 6
9
1968, in connection '#ith 8 convention 61
hospital adninistrators She 8aid ' tht on tbe evalng of
Jue 4 9 1968; she had returned t0 the botel frowl 8 meeting:
of the American College of ` Hospital Adninistration at
about 11.30 in the evening. She went t0 ker roon and
Subsequently watched on 'Iv events in connection With the
Bhoct of Senator RCBERI F MNzbZ _
0
She aid not
leave her room during thle pericd axd did Rol 888 cr
hear anything firet-band in coriection With the shocting
Jhe .did not 8ee ahyone redenbling JIRYAN 3I8HARA SIRH4N
during her stay &t tbe hotel _
112
On
11/22/68
at
Rencho Senta_Bex_Californl#il # 8D44-394
IA 56-156
SA ROBERT 2. 'IHoRNTON Jejt 11/27/68
by Dato dictatod
Thlo documont contalno noIther recommondatlong nor conclualona ol the FBI: It {0 tho proporty of the FBI and Jo loaned to
Your agancy : It ang 4t2 gontent? are not t0 po dlgtrlbuted outelde Your ggoncy .
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FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION
November 13, 1968
Date
Mr FRED SCHUMACHER
3
404 East 2nd Street ,
Rock Falls Illinois
9
advised he and his wife were
guests at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles California,
on the night Senator ROBERT KENNEDY was
kilied
He
stated they were at the hotel with an organized
tour being conducted by Knotts Berry Farm. He said that
he and his wife were re turning to the hotel after
having dinner out, and were at the desk picking up
their room kej when overheard someone excitedly
s&y shot him He said seconds later he observed
police officers bringing someone through the lobby
and that people were yelling and trying to get to
the man He said were unable to observe the
man because of the police officers and other people
surrounding him_ He said that he and his wife then
went to their cottage , after having received permission
from a police officer Iho was guarding the exit door_
Mz SCHUMACHER said neither he nor his wife
could furnish any information regarding SIRHAN B
SIRHAN
3
or any information concerning the assassination_
i13
On
11/6/68
at
Rock Falls, Illinois
File #
CG 89-61
SA J GLENN MC KENZIE: &b 11/7/68
by Date dictated
This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI ad is loaned to
your agency; it &nd its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.
they
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date
11/25/68
Mrs_ AURELIA SHIITH
7
Rosedale Farm, Ciester
9
Illinois
1 Was contacted at St Ann S 770 State St., Chester She advised
she had just returned the previous night from Haweii_ She advised
that she Vas at the Ambassador Hotel, Los lingeles California on 6/4/68 with 2
touring group and that the gr01p had rooms in the
Carden Secticn of the hotel She advised that there T7a 5 consider-
able confusion at the hotel that night due €o tne Politicel rally
for Senator KENNEDY
1
and due this she retired about l1.00 PN
She stated that she heerd nothing 0f the shooiing until about 7:00
AM the followitg morning whel she heara it on the radio Mrs
SNITK advised she has follorved the matter in the nens media since
it happened and is familiar With the appearance 0f 3IRIAN 8 3IRHAN
and cannoi recall seeing hin -in or near tze iotel. She advised that
she nas sean his picture many times in news media
114
On_1L/25/68
0t
Chester,_Illinois Fjle #J 4-568
by Si_Josenh Eckinstrav Date dictated Tvped 11/25/68
This document confoins neither recommcndations nor conclusions of tho FBI: It is thc property of the FBI ond is loaned to Your ogency:
i1 ond its contents are not to be distributed outside Your agency-
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date_
'C
Qctober 14,1968
Mr . P .' T. STEARNS 923 Fisher Lane , Winnetka
9 Illinois, was contacted a t his place of employment , Nedica 1
Economics, Incorporated; Playboy Building, Chicago,
Illinois. Mr 'STEARNS advised he W2& in the Amba ss8d03
Hotel, Los Angeles, Ca lifornia , on June 4 , 1968
STEA RNS advised he wa$ in Los Ange les on 2
business and the e vening of June 4 , 1968 , he returned
to tne hote ] about 9:30 P . I . He stated after returning,
he spent some time in 2 bar on the second lobby floor He
edvised later he was in the main lobby when peop le began
running and it wa 6 at this time be learned that Sepator
KENNEDY had been shot STEARNS edvised he took a1, e levator
to his room on the second floor and curued on big television
which he watched until about 2:00 a .M . When he went to bed
without leaving his r00m
STEARNS advised he does not reca 11 seeing SIRHAN
before the Bhooting . STEARNS advised he knew nothing
regarding 2 conspiracy to assapsinate Senator KENNEDY' nor
had he heard any rumors regarding this before che evening
of June 4 , 1968
115
Ou. 10/11/68
u| Chicago,_Illinois File # CG 88-61
5A NELSON 1 BQSELieo Dote diclated 10/14/68
Iln 77 MN 4Plm9' 6.Vinmsuu "r (Qo:|r 0l Ia FBL t 4 In 0 P{0?6iy ot the FBl end Is Iccnad !o #Our agengy:
Il nm: ' "cue Wie "o @ be &uhfclad urlsndon Ju Ggacc}
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64]
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTICATION
Date_
11/12/68
LINDA WEISS
9
Apartment 9, 1l Gray Street, Cambridge,
Massachusetts , advised that she was active in the compaign of
United States Senator ROBERT F . KENNEDY in Weshing D.
Indiana, California
Miss WEISS 8 %ated that she was in San Frencisco,
Californie, on June 4, 1968, and was not a€ the Ambassador
Hotel in Los Angeles at the tine Senator KENNEDY wa8 shot.
Miss WEISS stated further that photographs of SIRHAN
SIRHAN observed her are not identical with any person she had
ever seen previous_
116
On
10/30/68
at
Cambridge , Massachusetts
File #_
Boston 44-646
SA JAMES E HARVEY 1 mac. Date dictated
11/5/68
by
This documenl conloins neither recommendalions nor conclusions ol Ihe FBI. II is Ihe properiy of #ke FBI and is loaned to Your ogency:
itond ils contents are nof to be disiributed outside Your ogency.
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FD-302 iRov. 4-15-64)
Federal Bureau OF INVESTIGATION
Date
10/7/68
GARY WHITE , The Tonl Thcmag Organization , Detroit
Trede Center Building Detroit
}
Michigen edvised tbat he Was ar
the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles ,
Califcrnib
on
June 4, 1963 but bas no inzormetion regarding the ass28sinat ion
of Senator @OSNNDY . He advised that be does not knOw
SIENAN SZRYAN did nct see hin and has n0 infornation
concerning a possible conspiracy.
117
On 10/2/68
at
petroit Hichigen ~Flle#_Detrodt_62-4177
by
84(4) CLYDE B. LAU/gan
Date dictated_
10/4/68
This documenf contoins nellher recommondallons nor concluslons of Ihe FBI: It Is Iho proporty ot Iho FBI and [s loaned Io your agency;
Il ond ils conlonts are nofto bo dlstrlbuted outsldo your goncy:
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LA 56-156
JOS/kaf
INTERVTEWS OF INDIVIDUALS AT
SAN GABRIEL VALLEY GUN CLUB ,
DUARTE
9
CALTFORNIA
FISH CANYON FIRING RANGE) ,
ON JUNE 4,
118
1968
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LA 56-156
JOS/kaf
It was previously reported that SIRHAN BISHARA
SIRHAN was target shooting on June 4 1968, at the San
Gabriel Valley Gun C lub
9
Duarte, California
Results of interviews of some 0f the persons present
et this Gun Club on June 4, 1968 , have previously been
reported.
An interview of an additional person present at
the Gun Club on June 4, 1968, follows:
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FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
12/19/68
Date
MICHAEL ANTHONY SACCOMAN 240 Wes k ~:lnut Apartrent
C, Monrovia, Celifornia
2
edvised thet 2il June 4
>
1568_
)
he went
t? the Fish Canyon firing range in Monrovia
SACCOMA N identizied 8 photogreph 3. SIRHAN B SIRHAN
: 8 being 8 photograph 22 8 on that h1e 8 fw at the Fish
Cenyon Renge Jn June 4 ,
1e68ers
SA CCOMAN 2d-iged thst he and
SIRHAN erchenged Guns cnd shot with e8ch others eun_ He statec
that SIRHAN ' $ gun 028 a small revolver , blue steel, With about
ii 2 2} berrel SACCOmAN sbeted that SIRHAN' : revolver was very
cheap and it held wor8 then 81% shors He steted that the gun
was 2 22 caliber pistol_ SACCOMAN s tated tha t SIRHAN S pistol
hed blee* plasti- Erips
SACCOMA N stted thet SIRHAN hac seveiel boxes of 22
caliber 2r munition whieh he Gegeribed 8.8 hollowpoint, 22 Lone
Rifle
9
Mini-Iags
SACCOMAN steded that SIRHAN calc hii that he had
purznesed the Eun for 843.0J sone Lontns 223 and he had prectized
Kith gun up north SACCOMAN deseribed SIRHA N 88 being 2 pretty
EJ2C shot
SACCOMAN advised that SIRHAN told hin he W2s goine
henting with the pistal SA CCOMAN stacec thet when he advised
SIRHAN it would be illegel to huni in Californic with a pistol 3f
i su h Siuall caliber , SIRHSN told hin thct the tol could kill
8
SACCOMAN cdvised that SIRHAN seeked to be alone 8 L
the range and he edded that he hed never seen SIRHAN berore
It is noted thet the San Gabriel Valley Gun Club
i8 commonly known as the Fish Canyon firing range
120
On 12/12/68
at Monrauia Celifornia File # LJs Angeles 56-156
by SE FREDERICH E BECKER /sjs
Date dictated
12/16/68
Thig document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to
your agency; it and its contente are not to be distributed outside your agency.
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CA 56-156
joS/kaf
INVESTIGATION CONCERNING RUMOR
CIRCULATING IN ISRAEL IRAQ AND
EUROPE IN MID-MAY
1968
9
THAT
SENATOR ROBERT F KENNEDY HAD BEEN SHOT
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LA 56-156
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It was previously reported that 8 Brownell Tour
was conducted in the Holy Land from May 4 to Majy 20
It was further indicated that one of the_guides on the tour
had advised tour members on either May 16 or 17, 1968 ,
that ROBERT KENNEDY had been shot Interviews with members
0f this Brownell Tour have previously been reported .
Following is an interview of CLIFFORD E. KERNS
2 Philadelphia_
9
Pennsylvania, conce rning this matter:
122
1968 ,
May
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FD-302 (Rov. 4-15.64)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Dato_
11/12/68
CLIFFORD E. (JacK) KERNS
3
313 South Camac Street,
advised a5 follows:
He 18 , employed a8 a Tour Director by Brownel1 Tours
and was in Israel Kith a tour during the latter part of May,
1968 He does not recall hearing any discussion concerning
the assassination of Senator" ROBERT KENNEDY while on this
tour He cannot now recall where he was when he firbt heara
of the assa8sination but i8 positive that he did not hear
anything about the shooting prior to the time of: the
assassinacion_
11/6/68 Philadelphia,Pa
123 Philadelphia 62-4929
On_ File #_
SA DARWIN 3 . BARE/jfb
11/12/68
by_ Date dictated_
This documenf conloin: neilher recommendolions nor conclusions ol Ihc FBI; # is the Property of Ihe FBI ond Is looned o Your agcncy;
Mond its conlenls ore nof lo be distribulcd ouiside Your ogency.
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CA 56-156
JoS/kaf
INVESTIGATION CONCERNING DONALD WICKSON ,
ALSO KNOWN AS DONALD DAVID EVANGELISTA,
EXTRA BANQUET WAITER AT AMBASSADOR HOTEL
LOS ANGELES FROM MAY 17 TO JUNE 19
2
1968
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Investigation concerning DONALD DAVID EVANGELISTA ,
true name Donald Wickson, extra banquet waiter at the Arbassador
Hotel, Los Angeles from 17 to June 19, 1968, has previously
been reported
Foilowing
is additional investigation in
this matter:
125
May
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LA 56-156
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Background Concerning
DONALD DAVID WICKSON
a180 known a8
Donala David Evangelista ,
Il_
Paul_Letsky
On May 7 9
1966_
8
DONALD DAVID EVANGELISTA and PHILIP
LUCIER, al80 known a8 A1 Garzo , Tere arrested by the New
Mexico State Police, West of Albuquerque
9 in possession of
a 1965 Chevrolet Corvair, registered to SUSAN and DIANE
BUTCHER of South Pasadena
9
California
9
and reported stolen to
the South Pasaaena Police Department on 7
9
1966
LUCTER was known to DIANE BUTCHER a8 AL GARZO and
had driven the car several times when with DIANE but n0
permission Given to take the car Tne United States Attorney
at Albuquerque declined prosecution, May 9 , 1966, in view of
the association 3f EVANGELISTA latter identified a8 DONALD DAVID
WICKSON
9
and TUCTER with the owners of the vehicle
Investigation disclosed the South Pasadena Police
planned to obtain a Grand Theft Auto warrants and that the
Worcester, Massachusetts Police had warrants on both WICKSON
and LUCTER 28 of 1956
The Los Angeles Police Department advised June 4 ,
1968 , that 2 Mustang convertible with Massachusetts
license had been recovered on that da te at the Los Angeles
International Airport and it was ascertained that this vehicle
nad been reported stolen to the Worcester Police, 9, 1963.
Inquiry revealed that WICKSON , u8ing a Massachusetts Drivers
license of PAUL LETSKY 0f Worcester, had rented the Mustang_
9 6, 1968, at Worcester from the Heywood Leasing Company
LETSKY 8 apartment had been proken into and license and clothiy
stolen
126
May
May
1968
May
May
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WICKSON during interview at his rebidence by
SA KENNETH R OLSON and SA GERALD @ MOORE
9
November 25,
1968, admitted renting the above Mustang, under the name of
LETSKY driving it to Los Angeles and abandoning it at
the International Airport
On November 27 , 1963
a complaint was filed by
SA STEVEN E DUCKER , before United Sates Comissioner
JOHN A CHILDRESS at Los Angeles , California, charging WICKSON
Iith a one count violation of Title 18 , U.8_ Code
9
Section 2312,
the Interstate Transportation of a Stolen Motor Vehicle,
which involved the Mustans Convertible
A warrant was issued and WICKSON was in a fugitive
status a8 of December 5, 1968 _
It was further a8certained that the South Pasacena
Police Department still held a Grand Theft Auto warrant for
WICKSON but wa8 delaying action on it pending the resultw of
the Federal prosecution The Worcester, Massachusetts Police ,
as of November 22_
9
1968, hela felony warrants for DONALD
WICKSON _ charging 25 counts of larceny and? m3zocoVelicie uttering
and forgery and one count of larceny of a vehicle
The records of Grand County Colorado, Oc tober 25, 1968,
revealed that DONALD WICKSON was arrested by the Colorado State
Patrol, August 6, 1968, at Hot Sulphur Springs
9
Colorado_
9 for driving Without a valid drivers license and served 30
days in the County These records described WICKSON a8 ,
white
9
male
'Aueticd:il
born at Worcester, PII
Massachusetts , 5'7" tall, 140 pounds
9
brown hair, blue eyes _
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FD-3 02 (Rev. 4-15-64 )
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION
11/27/63
Date
DONALD WICKSON Apartment 9 5933 Gregory
Avenue
2
Los Angeles
9
telephone 466-0550, telephoned the
FBI office in response to an attenpt to contact him at
his apartment by Special Agent LESLIE @ WARREN on the
previous Mr WICKSON said that he had no additional
information to add to his previous interview conducted by
the FBI with respect to the shooting of Senator ROBERT F
KENNEDY WICKSON claimed that he had been employed at the
Ambassador Hotel
9
Los Angeles
)
at the time Senator KENNEDY
was shot a8 a waiter and had been in the room on the first
floor below the Embassy Room at the time of the actual
shooting and had not observed any activity before or after
the shooting
9
which
9
in his opinion-
9 was related to it.
He continued that he had been examining photographs of
SIRHAN SIRHAN in the newspapers and on television to
ascertain 1f he may have observed SIRHAN at any time before
He had reached the conclusion that he had never seen SIRHAN
SIRHAN at any time
WICKSON said that while employed a8 a waiter
at the Ambassador Hotel
9
he had used the name of DONALD
DAVID EVANGELISTA His true name however
9 was DONALD
WICKSON
2
and he was born at Worcester
9
PII
Massachusetts under this name His reason for using the
name EVANGELISTA w88 that he had gotten into some trouble
with the police in Worcester Massachusetts
9
which was now
straightened out and had swicched to the name of EVANGELLSTA
He claimed Co be presently using the name of WICKSON
Mr WICKSON related that he was currently at tending
a work orientation progran at the University Of California
at Los Angeles which was financed by the United States
Government He expec ted to obtain a position with possibly
the California State Department of Employnent or some related
type position when he finished the course, which would be
in the immediate future
128
11/21/63 Los Angeles
2
California Los Angeles 56-156
On at File #
SA LESLIE F WARREN /eb 11/22/63
by Date dictated
Thi8 document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI &nd is loaned to
your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outgide your agency_
day
Mr
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LA 56-156
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INVESTIGATION CONCERNING INFORMATION
FURNISHED BY JOHN FAHEY
9 Los ANGELES
9
THAT ON JUNE 4
)
1968 ,
HE AND A BLONDE WOMAN WERE
FOLLOWED BY INDIVIDUAL BELIEVED BY
FAHEY To BE MUNIR SIRHAN
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It was previously reported that JOHN FAFEY
9
Los
Angeles , California, on June 4,
5
had been in the
company of a blonde woman whom he had met earlier that
morning at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles During
breakfast with this woman at the Ambasssador Hotel
Coffee Shop on June 4
9
1968, FAHEY noticed 8 man
in the entrance to the coffee shop staring at then FAHEY
subsequently identified a photograph of MUNIR SIRHAN as
looking like the individuel staring into the coffee shop _
are results of interview of JOHN FAHEY
on
September
eo]Jowigbs;
9 by officers of the Los Angeles ,
California
Police Department
concerning this matter:
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TAPE #29588
'TAPE RECORLED INTERVIIW OF JOEN #AZIEY
2
SEPTIEMEER ?: 1968, 7;30 P.M.
TAPZD IN_RoQH 318= PARIER CENTER
3
QUSSEIOjiE) Bi : 3Z. E EERNATDZZ
9
S.0,8, UNIT
887 . Pe R. . ALEXANDER, 8,U.8, UNIT
4
TRANSCRIBED BY : STELLA C, ROTH, INTERMAL AFPAZRS DIVISIOn
5
INDICATES UNINTELLIGIZZE
6
7 Ii KERWANDEZ : Okay , I'm golng t0 started
8 here and see how far we cen gO,
9 Thank you,
10 LI , HERNANDEZ : John; for the puxposes or
11 Ihlz interview, Sgt. Phil Alexander; mY name ' 8 Hernandez ,
12 and the] gentleman here 18.John 'Fahey, F-a-h-e-J; the
13 stenographe, John, fox Jour Information 18 Mr. Ron Horlecher;
14 and he going *o take this btetement verbatim. Now , Ihat
15 we trying t0 do here, John, 18 to determine the truth'
16 concerning staterent8 made by Jou to members of the' FBI and
17 to other menber? of the Los Angeles Police Department And
18 I hope Jou'11 be truthful With ne et this time,
19 By LI . IRNANDEZ : Now , on June 4, 1968, did
20 you meet a young wonan at the Ambasaador Hotel?
21 Yes , sir
22 Hes there anything' durlng your asgociation with
23 that woman that Jed you to believe that Bhe Wa8 In any way
24 connected with the a8sa88ination of Senator Kennedy?
25 gir.
26 Did tell anyone, eitner the FBI or cther
Form 618 (R-3-4) 131
get
Okay ,
'8
're
No ,
you
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police officera anything that ivould have led them to believe
2 that she wa8 involved in ghe a88a8sination 0f Kennedy?
3 A At the tlme I Niab excited, and I had this fear
in me because of what-~of the evente that took place thai
5 day . I could have done i8 erroneouely;
yes, si* .
6 Oray, erroneously now, Jahn, do. you remember
7 what told these people?
8 That possibly she could be the girl they Wee
9 looking fCF.
10 Would Jou repeat that, pleese?
11 That possibly 8he could have been ` the that
12 they were looking for,
13 NOw , by the girl thet they mere looking for,
14 Were you-~
15 ~Sfor the girl that; was poscibly involved in
16 scmething.
17 Do you have any gpecific girl in mind?
18 Tne girl tha 2 W28 With that date.
19 What made you' believe that the FBI 0s anyone
20 wes interested in that
21 Because , well, i8 W28 knowin that 2 W38
22 involved.
23 Uh huh.
24 A And that from Wvhat the had made avatemente
25 to me ebout, reflection of her bad taste toward Mr _ Kentedy
26 or the party that he w88 involved with, Jed je t0 believe
Form 618 (R-3-4)
132
you
girl
gisl?
gixl ah,
lady
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3
that possibly %hat she had something to do With it:
2 a8 3 metter 0f" Iact , John, now Jou knowi
3 that; in your mind 2l1 along there Ba3 nothing that happened
tha% Iould lead any reasonable perzon t0 form 8 belief tha:
5 ahe was connected With the es8a88inatlon of Senator Kennedy :
6 w28 there?
Iow tha} 1 have gat doim and thought it &l1
8 4 through, re righo:
ye? , sir.
9 Okay , now after Jou lert the Anbassador Hotel On
10 the 4th of June, you had indicated that you thoughi (you
11 Mere being Tollowed. did you 8ay thak?)
12 Maybe Jou would drive up Wilshire , Jou take them
13 there With all the Wey-~you take 8 right , and tnej kecp
14 continue going, buk thi: man gtayed right; with ne ,
15 Did he at any rima threacen you?
16 8ir.
17 Olray' now, let'8 gQ to the Volkstragen_ Yoii
18 described thar 88 a blue vehicle?
19 Ye8, tha sane color 38 the Ford.
20 Bluee
21 Right.
22 Did: this car follow you?
23 A Yes, six.
24 Where did i8 follow t0?
25 A It was following me on the rcad towerdg ` Oxnerd,
26 lana 18 wag apparent that we Nere being wetched or followed,
Form 618 (R-3-4)
133
Okay $
Jou
Wly
yov
No ,
Joi
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and % had 6 degire *0 pull Ove? &nd. find out; , 83 I Beid *0
2:
the girl , the ledy, I m gcing to Tind 0ut; Kho in the hell
3
they ere folloning U84 8p % wcck 8 left,. and I pulled Gver
On the rocl:f. This 18 the area: And I perked. He pulled
5
cver and parked on my right &d qu% O1 hio care
0
6
Did you talk Iith that mnan, the driver?
7
Noa Bire
8
D1d he ' say anjthing *0 Jou?:
9
Bl70
10
Did he threaten
11
No $ Dira
12
Okaj, now going back t0 th2 womano You dercribed
13
ner &0 3
e8 being & nutty individual; what did you mean
14 that;?
15
Her seatezient?, her convereations a6 tJmes Like
16
telking about Kennedy che Nay Bhe did, telklng &bout; McCarthy
17
the way She d1d. She d1dn'% like any cf thcn. She wa6 0n
18
che wove She 831d she'd onlytean here thzee days fxon
19 Net York: She had 2 i0} 02 clothes Bhe had to ship $0
20
Australia.
21
Tc REPORTER : Slow Qowna
22 Ezcuse Me0
23
THE REPORTKK : She hed been here three days
24 from Nert York?
25
Righta
26
'IE REPORTER: She had what 80 Bbip t0
hustralla?
Form 618 (R-3-4)
134'
g0*
No2
you?
by ,
only
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She had & lot of clothes ne said 8nq she had
2
to Bhip them %0 Aubtralia. She wanted to out of the
3
country, She was leaving the county,
3 Lr. HERNANDEZ : Would you describe thig
5
individual 83 a hippie?
0 6 A In one respect Bhe--Jou could look at her 83 a
7
hippie; yes , 8ir.
8
Okay , 80 You described' hes &8 2 hippie and 28
9 8--
10' Oz & who travels like Bay the Midale Eecte
11
BY SCT. ALEXANDER: Not; an American 0r like yoU
12 and I, We take 0 shower every couplec2 daj8? or w bhave
13
ourselves real good to keep clean?
14 No,
15 Bx VI , HERWANDEZ : I'm trjing to keep slow 80
16
the gentlenan can the information.
17 A Excuse me
18 Nhy do Bay.the Middle East? the Middle
19 East?
20 A Features . Her accent , the Iay She uged at times.
21 She had an accent and when she gave me her real name , a8
22 what She said, Oppenheirer, I figured Middle Ea8v: Middle
23 East,
24
Okray , but she_ 1a8 2
nutty type person to Jou?
25 A yes , 8ir.
26 And she looked, l1ke a hippie?
Form 618 (R-3-4)
135,
get
've
ledy
get;
Hhy you
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Yes,- 8ir,
2 Did you ever form the idea in your mindsthat the
3
people that were folloning, if they were folloning you, might
have been 2 boyfriend or &, husband or someone that knew her?
5 It could have; been;: yes , Bir.
6 Did you think aboub this?
7 Now at that #me; no, six.
8 Have, you ever thought about ic?
9 81r,
10 Nill you think aboub it now?
11 Yes, 8i89 it could Jes , sif4 that could be
12 treee
13 IB there anything: John, in your mind, that you
14 could tell 43 that happened to you On tne bth 0f June that
15 might have any conneccion, even the . Slightest connection,
16 wich the 888a89ination of Senator Kenedy?
17 'nere isn't anything: six.
18 Axe Jou" 'telling the truth now?
19 Yes , sir-
20 Is there anything you want to ask, Phil?
21 By 8GT
0
ALEXANDER : I just Want to this
22 cleered up abou€ Ferrando Faura. You say that there' & been
23 many tines chat he has Inginuated things to you and
24 woris in jour *outh, 80 to speakg ied you to belleve certain
25 thing? thet ycu consequontly found out not to be trve and
26 80 forth?
Form 618 (R-3-4)
136
No ,
pe}
get;
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Id like to expound on thae 2 1itt0 bit just; #0
2 say for the record to Get 10 Straighio
3 R:` Ab, Veil a8k me 8c1o quebtions &bout 1t, &nd I
4 can 50. Irom there, hun?
5
41l "igni, 1a8 Ferynando Faura cvez tcld ycue;
6 {0r instence, tht--that this woman that: %ou wav' Nith had
7
anything #0 &o with Kennedy' J 380285inat1on?
8 Mhon 1 {i8t; Went to Fernando Feure, 1 explained
9
MV Storj #0 him #hat I Nef Mith thlo ladj, and regeralcss
10 Mhether #he 1ag %he girl Or wapn' $ %he Girl, Tes irmacerial;
11 #nata howover; Ie woula Zind this Jady, and from that point
12 on he took me Qut; to fhe 8an Zernando Police 8tation &d
13 interrogcted m8 && Er6at lenzth on several diffcrent
14 occabions. And I actually weo led %0 believe that he Nes
15 part cf the Policc Depariient tnere #hrough hi; convercationa
16 Nith and ke made Ie fcel 28 if through thc coursc Of our
17 interrogations tbab this M23 t.e ELzl tha & We 6e}e looking
18 fox 0r thot you gentlemen were looking foro And 28 our
19 acaociation went 10 just; elevetcd Until where tt he
20 maz following the FBI: Enere Was 8ox6 hotel nen thet he
21 contacted; that #he FBI had contacted, and %hi8 was how theye~
22 he and this-~wncever thls phoographer 128 , Involye?
23 mith thib hotel bituavi0u wae because of' tbis wan the
24 nane 6f Hamond . He 8 horel Manbzer Or sorething of thls
25 nature , and thia Hamiond gave hiu infornation *hat %he FBI
26 Wes Btkiig cut
& girl, Buppceed t0 be #y gizl et cctern,
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and 38 things of this nature built:Up &nd elevated, and he
2 tried to make me believe Ghat this Ias the girl _ And
3
naturally I become excited and I become feared and 'appauled
about ita end he took ne back to San Fernando Police Station
5 whece I met 8 Ii. Stein. He had Ine Bit .with him in a
6 1 an--Ident Kit cailed? And put description of the
7
girl--My giri: together. Then he took this ident conposite
8 t0 a hippie artist, and he: drew this' girl in colos. Then he
had snapshovs made of thie girl, and" he ' 8 been Bhowing this
10 girl to different witnesses
5
He rook me to & hypnotist, a
11 doctor; Who 18 supposed t0 have hypnotized' and he reelly
12 didn 't. I Waa--if he did; I--I wa8 unaware of 1*, and there
13 wa8 2 witne:s there called Chuck that was supposed to have
14 worked for the Kennedy people at that time, ond he identified
15 the picture 3.8 the girl or one of the girls that was supposed
16 to have been there r Bomething of that neture. An, he
17 s%ated al80 that' ihi8 maitre d ' , DiPierro, has identizied
18 the girl a8 that--the girl, being the girl
19 BZ Lr . HERNANDEZ : But a8 3 matter 0f fact, Jokn,
20 this girl that you 're referring to from the Identa Kit, you
21 knew &11 along this girl didn't exist; didn you?
22 The gixl exists. The girl, my girl, that was
23 Iith me that day?
24 Yes ,
25 That'8 who the girl the picture 18 0f
26 Well, i9 it & picture of the person that you
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were with--
2 Yes , 8ir.
3 ~-or close ro 167
4 A The . girl--no, the picture 18 of the: girl that
5
wa.8 with me that
6 Is ic 2 good likeness t0 the" girl?
Pretry close; yez, sif, pretty cloee;
8 .@ BY SGT
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ALEXANDER : Okav , 80 then he did more 0r
9 le8o strengthen your mind in tnese beliefg?
10 A Yes , 8ir, he d1d.
11 fe created. 8ome 0f thege beliefe in your nind?
12 4 Yes , sif.
13 In other Word3--
14 A Calling me up several time8 and wanting me to
15 meet him at the Citizen Mews . He had & gentleman there with
16 8 bunch of pictures he wanted Ie to pick out a girl, There
17
were several pictures 'chey showed me
I never picked out
18 any girl because I never sawW 2 girl--a deacription of thc
19 girl that was with me,
20 Okay , 50 then he did create 8ome of this 3-
21 Ronanticism Or bome thing like that.
22 Yean_
23 A Right. He romanced me
24 Bx L . HERNANDEZ : Fan %asy . somethlng 'chat.you
25 knew wa3 not; true; that ne worda in your mouth?
26 By SGT_ AIEXANDER: In oher wordb , he took the
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1 situation 88 you leid 1t %0 him and then he related it back
2 to you and told you 'how 1t could possibly have been after
3 Senator Kennedy--
Yes, , 8ir, Sarge ; that'8 right ,
5 'Chat wasn + your idea?
6 sir; 1t
was his idea:
Right
8 A
Naturally
I fell into i8, aad I went; along With
9 10 becauseg ` Well, like he said; pobsibly she ccula be the
10 gir} or she 18 the 'gizl ' and toward the end he kept saying,
11 well , she the girle
12 TTE REPORTER : A llttle bit sloner; please.
13 Excuse xie
14 BY SGT . ALEXANDER : You Nent along 'With it,
15 I went along with it beceuse; well, I was with
16 this giil that and When he tells Ie bomething, 1 believed
17 i6 because 'the man woris out in the police station in San
18 Fernanco : ana I took the man at hic word And when he would
19 {ell me that ancther witness has identified my piccure--the
20 Gir that was With that gives you 2 little etrength, and
21 you begin to wonder and you become feared; ana 1 Wa8--
22 When he took Jou t0 this hypnotist, can you:
23 recall the hypnotist'8 name?
24 A Yes, Dr . LaScola.
25 Ds . LaScol
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26 Lza-Si-c-O-l-&;
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1 Would you spell that egain; pleage?
2 L-a-Sc-0-1-8, and he'8 0ud' in Santa Monica acrosb
3 fron St. John'% Hospi,tal in the Nedical Building there.
Now,' Jou Baj to the bes" Of your recollection
5 Jou never verc under hypnotic trance; 18 that rlglt?
6 Ie attempted to ine under-~he etrempted to
7 nypnotize mne. But I 88y ne diantt do 11. I Wes alive like
8 I'm
talking withjou
now.
9 You can recall everyining that went on ?
10 Ye?, Bixs
11 Totally?
12 Yes , sir.
13 Woat 'did he %o implant anything in your nind?
14 He 8aid Te ware--we were going %0 have later on
15 8 long digcussione He wes ' going to hvpnotize me again; tnat;
16 I would be thinking about thi8; and thet--about the girl;
17 that he &nd I woulG have 8 lorg talk about her &nd the events
18 that took plece thet I Will 8ay he did stimulate Iy
19 mind . Bor example, this Girl told me where her ex-husband
20 [a8 , on the island Qf Taipel because he had worked over
21 there for the FAA Or with them or 8onne asgoclation. And it
22 helped to remind hig najoe . He did etimulate my mind a litwle
23 bit, but he-~he didn'% hyonotize
me I Waen ' under--Itve.
24 never een hypnotized, 80 ` I can ' %' tell you that to erpect
25 about 1%,
26 You . d0 have an
independent recollection
now ;
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here though, the occurrence: Gf thaz day?
2 Ye8,
3 And' you say thaz he took Jou al80 t0 2 'polygraph
4 examination?
5 Ye8, Bir, he did
6 Do you recell the name of' that pereon that con-
7 dueted your--
8 ~~Mr , Chris Gugas
9 BY Li. HERNANDEZ : John , if 1 may , in relation
10 '60 'that polygraph examination, Jou knov , and quite truthfully,
11 frankly with eaeh other in &11 0 were not truthful with
12 Mr_ Guga8 all the way in Ihat you believed?
13 Right . Yes ,
14 Ye?, upon the conclusion or the tegt, what did
15 Mr _ Gugas tell you?
16 Je told Je 28 8 Ihole I Fa8 telling the truth,
17 And Fernando had called Je the following Sunday 88 hone , and
18
he sajs 1 came through like a champion.
19
now _ forget about wha: Fernando told you,
20 but just knowing the way JU answered certain questions there ,
21 did he epecifically tell Jou What questiong had answered
22 truthfully and wnlch questions you had Bhowed deception on?
23
A Yes , sir , he did tell me 2 couple or them. 'He
24 g8id about I had 8 rise, 28 the lenguage rise, on That the
25 had 8aid 80 me at the hocel about 're going ro
26 tI take cafe 02 Mz Kennedy that night at che Winning reception.
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There was another one. I jus& don 0 0 renember i1t offhand.
2
Okay , now, vhich questiong do you remember Lying
3 about Or nox being truthful t0 Mr . Gugas on that ne Baid you
anawered truthfully, Aizd you know quite well What azea8--
5
Did I tell the %ruth to the FBI, Did I tell the
6
truth to the' LAPD and 28 I understand in myself, now that
going througii
over a period 6f a couple months belng
8 romanced like ch18 that I wasn' : telling the truth.
9 I see: Hag anyone pronised you anything for you
10 to make these statements here conight?
11 Blr.
12 Has anyore forced vou to Iake these gtatenents
13 here conight?
14 sir
15 Are the statement: you have made here che truth
16 Co the best of Jour ebility 88 you knou the truth t0 be?
17 A Yes , Mxe . Heznandez;
18 Jubt for my Own curiobity in concluding tnis
19 statement here , John,. really That happened here 88 Jen #ie knou
20 1t that Were #orried and possibly afraid in Jour wife
21
finding out Bbout this girl _ Bagically that' g what happened
22 thar night, 18 that right?
23 I wa3 concerned about ny wife that night about
24 the glrl _
25 You were not?
26 I Ivas not concerned , I'm borry. I-would have
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1 told her the %ruth &nd < did.
2 But not tha: night.
3 Nog . Gir, 1 diin'% tell her that night.
That'8 W1at I'm Baying. In escelce the rcazon
5 tne; 211 th18 rcelly happened 18 beceuse you Ware concerned
about your Wife misunderftanding Whac had happened ilth that
glrl; i3 that 8 fair Btaterent?
8 Well, noe 1 didn"& 8ta*e &11 thi8 80
9 ccver wp anvthing. Ho , 8iz .
10 Well, chon; John?
11 A Like I g2id I have been romanced over 8 period
12 of 2 couple ronths.
13 By M . ` Fernando?
14 And Jed t0 bslieve ceriein tnings Mere #rue and
15 naturelly becom? excited, You're full of feat; end yon,
16 uh, you'r? Jed t0 belleve tnat she ' 8 the g111.
17 BY 80, ALEXANDER: Let me a8k ycu 6h1?, i8 &nis
18 a rair Gtaterent? Ceztain porclons or all that you heve Baid
19 in thic past; three months , cestain portions of it, ` you fcel
20 ere basically true?
21 Z2c.
22 Other__Other portlons of . the ctory nsve been
23 elaboratcd upon?.
24 Ye8, Sergeant; yes : Biro
25 Not becauee you mould have eleborated on them
26 yoursclf , but; because have been Jed t0' elabozate upon
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