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================================================== Page 1 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN What ? ANOTHER OFFICER GENE SIRHAN Oh , GENE _ ANOTHER OFFICER I'm really not sure of the correct pronunciation, it'8 JEN BROZ is the way , the way it wa $ indicated Like I say , that I not sure of As far as the vehicle nOw , re little more firm ground I mean I am Possible SIRHAN What wa8 that? ANOTHER OFFICER Probably sonebody brought that's unhappy Some want8 to the 8 0a} offof him They apparently just ga ve hinl a shower and uaybe they cut the water off before the 8 0a? SIRHAN Good , that's huranitarianism_ ANOTHER OFFICER : Well, we try to give them a show there 8 nothing wrong with that , is there? SIRHAN shut the water on me ANOTHER OFFICER Huh? S IRHAN They shut the wa ter off on me ANOTHER OFFICER : You mean they shut it off before SIRHAN I was completely washed ANOTHER OFFICER Oh Tell, I think that is what he was conplaining about _ That shut the watez off before he had the soap off S8IRHAN oh Tha t 18 really irritating At least I w ould €hinl 80 , 574 No , we ! they in , get body They No , no , they Oh , ================================================== Page 2 ================================================== LA 56-156 ANOTHER OFFICER Well, I, when I wa s in the Pacific in World Wax II) whenever it rained, we didn t ha ve any fresh water 80 whenever it rained We rushed out and get lathered up and to_ A lot of times you ' d get all la thered up and the ship would run out 0i the storm So there you are , stuck with a11 the soap Then you have to down 5 get the salt wa ter and wa sh it off Very bad _ You travel? Ha ve you traveled ruch? Little momento , little souvenir fror my younger days STRHAN: not from the fifteen years ANOTHER OFFICER : Oh oh no Service to God and country or wha tever you want to call it Mom S old apple and a11 that ANOTHER OFFICER : You travel much? Or have you ? STRHAN: If I had the need . ANOTHER OFFICER : I didn't say would you I said have you traveled much I don 't thinl, if you do of course , you re the SIRHAN: I lile to travel I wa tch all kinds of travel programs ANOTHER OFFICER : You tell me you , you ve never had much opportunity yourself 01 would you rather not tell me ? Lile I said If I into an area you don 't want to talk a bout SIRHAN: Really 9 it is not tha t Really I don 't think travel 9 if I had the money I'd love to travel If I don2 ' t have it naturally yo1 can t do it_ Really, wha t do yau think ? Ha v e you traveled ? ANOTHER OFFICER Some But usua with Uncle Sam paying the expenses Tha t isn't the most luxurious wajy to travel and you don' % to pick your destination , I ha ve traveled a little bit within the country I ha ve been to Mexico a few times 9 and that' s about it Saw a lot of islands They ' re not as romantic as I was led to believe But nOW there are S Oine 575 try get Oh , n0 , pie No , No , get 1ly get S0 , ================================================== Page 3 ================================================== LA 56-156 STRHAN Lot 0f illus isn't 1t2 ANOTHER OFFICER : Yeah_ But there are sone real nice There are some that I woula like 9 to g0 bact. SIRHAN NOw 1f Jol g0 to Hawaii? ANOTHER OFFICER : Nod Hawaii. I bet Hawaii by nOW is SO comnercialized . SIRHAN That S what I Tias going to say . ANOTHER OFFICER : Tha t ha ve ruined wha t charm it has , but the orher islands down south or up in central Pacific_ 9 those are pretty _ STRHAN I wish I was there _ ANOTHER OFFICER : We 'd probably both be happier if we were there Could I ask you where you were born? SIRHAN In the world. ANOTHER OFFICER: Well, okay . Now you can just tell me if you would rather not answer , you can just tell me that. I'm I mean , understand I am trying to pry but I won 't if= say no , that'8 as far as I will g0 _ So are Jou telling me you re not going to tell me , or you ' d rather not discuss it , or do you want to play twenty ques tions ? SIRHAN Wha t S tha t ? Is that a new game ? ANOTHER OFFICER : No that's an old game _ Tha t' s an old gamne SIRHAN Old tricl, huh? ANOTHER OFFICER No _ SIRHAN How does it ANOTHER OFFICER It'8 not a trick, really. It kind of a parlor game 576 101 , they not , you g0? 19 ================================================== Page 4 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN Can I give you a yes or n0 ra ther than seeking the refuge of ny ANOTHER OFFICER Right , right, which 18 perfectly permissable _ SIRHAN It' 8 legal and permissable ANoTHER OFFICER _ Right. Ha ve I ever tried to you down for that? SIRHAN: But just for the tape ANOTHER OFFICER Oka;y. SIRHAN Cen I ever do any censoring on that tape ? ANOTHER OFFICER Censoring? SIRHAN Yeah ANOTHER OFFICER Well S TRHAN Anything or some thing, you krnOw to modify it_ ANOTHER OFFICER No _ If you edit it a t it looses wha t ever limited value it would ha ve 3IRHAN It is , ig any of wha t I am sa,ying, would be used against me in court? ANOTHER OFFICER If you said anything of an incriminating nature it could be used against you in court certainly_ Just like that The reason I advised you of your rights 9 any - thing you say of an incrimina ting na ture could be used against yol in court SIRHAN I see _ ANOTHER OFFICER : Tha t ' s right 577 put al1 , Oh , ================================================== Page 5 ================================================== LA 56-156 S TRHAN : Justice, too_ ANOTHER OFFICER Wel1 we want you to unders tand that before you 9 you and in your case it Vie s ea Sy because yoU grasp things very easily_ Sometimes I have a hard time 9 cause I really_ 9 I feel that these people should understand before tal - SIRHAN: I hear you send then to the slaughter, no? ANOTHER OFFICER : No _ I don 't feel that wa y . Do you think I send people to the slaughter? I mean STRHAN Standard type , you know generally this 18 stereo_ type Every average person regards and ha8 an attitude ANOTHER OFFICER : Yeah . Well_ 9 I disagree because na turally I am prejudice in my ownl favor , both as a human being and as a law enforcement officer_ I mean I would much ra ther feel that I serve people 9 not that I persecute people _ I kcnow you think possibly that Mr MURPHY and I were putting you on a little bit when we said that , but it gives` you a nice feeling to s ome guy that looks real bad I Irnow you are skeptical SIRHAN: How do you mean ? ANOTHER OFFICER You lool like you are skeptical , but to clear some guy that looks real bad , everything looks this guy ' s dead nobody believes him even hi8 family say I don 't know how any son of mine could ha ve done such a thing, and tney start digging around and you come up with stuff and you show that the guy didn t do it Tha t ' $ a , that's a nice feeling Tha t 8S a reward that nobody can appreciate except and if you don t appreciate it , you re missing a lot of this I'm not getting through to you_ But I mean it very sincerely_ It18 not a11 tha t wajy . Let'8 face it We re like any other group Everybody has a different outlook and attitude on the job Some guys want to cut corners S Ome guys have to do everything out of the book , and I think no ma tter what field you g0 into, judges 9 doctors 9 different kinds of people _ Lots of safe ground there I think you can go along'`ith that 578 5 We $ they No , you ================================================== Page 6 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHIAN Yes_ ANOTHER OFFICER Could I ask Jou where Jou were born ? In this country? No ? So I can sa V e a lot of time, if I were to ask you the proper country you were born in , would you answer me ? No? Okay . Then we will forget _ We won 't pla;y that SIRHAN I didn t say no and I didn't say yes . You gaid that no _ ANOTHER OFFICER : I was as king you a question and you shool your head, which to ie indicates negative STRHAN : I said nothing, really_ Again tha % ! s ANOTHER OFFICER : Would Jou ? Would you , if I asked you were you born in such a8 , let S just s2y , if I asked you if you were born in Ireland in deference to Nr MURPHY and you had in fact been born in Ireland, would you answer me SIRHAN I believe _ ANOTHER OFFICER : Would you answer rle truthfully or would you no answer? I'l1 strike that because I think you would answer ne truthf but you might not SIRHAN Again Again, yo1 re infringing on my first comnitment ANOTHER OFFICER O.ajy . S IRHAN There he 1s OFFICER Hi. SIRHAN Hi_ Refreshed ? OFFICER : Yeah_ SIRHAN How majy pounds did you lose? '579" No , ully , ================================================== Page 7 ================================================== LA 56-156 OFFICER I didn t Majybe you better let him g0 back ANOTHER OFFICER Yeah - You sure you don 't want anything Jefore you g0 nOW , to eat . OFFICER : We 're going to arraign you in a little while You re going to court STRHAN: Please make sure about my &ttire _ ANOTHER OFFICER Well, I m not sure your mother. SIRHAN: Well, could I wear my own ? OFFICER : Huh? SIRHAN not? I don 't see why? OFFICER : I don 't thinl 80 . I think tool and booked it didn't they? ANOTHER OFFICER Yeah I doubt if it is aveilable SIRHAN re some ANOTHER OFFICER Well, we wee They re not going to embarrass you in front of eh SIRHAN I would lile this fixed 0p if possible ANOTHER OFFICER : Well, I don 't think we can remove it SIRHAN but you krnow ANOTHER OFFICER Actually you lool very presentable corpared to when I first saw yol You re cLean , you re neat your eyes are clear and if we can get you something that Wili fit you a little better , (End of conversation They lea ve the roor ) ~~8589 Oh , Why they Buy No , why . ================================================== Page 8 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN How do Jou quit eating? I mean sort of with yo1= OFFICER : I' m only in the Seventh Chapter 80 far and aC tually don 't even kznOw who the , it' s about the Boston Strangler, and don t even to this point have hardly one clue; you IznOW , to say that it was this person or that person _ SIRHAN Tell, I m topically familiar with that , with the whole OFFICER : Yeah Wel1 SIRHAN Story about it. The individual hinself how does it g0 ? OFFICER Well, al1 of the 9 al1 the W Oillen that ha ve been assaulted S0 far were done in a certain manner He did it a11 one way He would assault then in a certain manner and he would use a nylon , one of their nylons SIRHAN: Oh _ OFFICER Tie it around their necl and then male 3 bow out of it You know , like it was very , it wa s artistic to him _ Something that he really enjoyed_ It 18 pretty good S 0 far I ha ven 't really._ SIRHAN Tha t ' s really cool . He he uses that kind of stuff OFFICER Wel1, it' 6 mainly , it S0 far ercept for two cases , ANOTHER OFFICER : Do you want the lights on in here ? OFFICER No . ANOTHER OFFICER : OFFICER No _ ANOTHER OFFICER 58* they they only So , Okay _ ================================================== Page 9 ================================================== LA 56-156 OFFICER : So far it has been mainly on weelends 3 except for two times _ it has &lwajys been on a weelend and it alway '8 been single women Either a widow W Oilan or a single girl or s ome thing lile that STRHAN You mean attractive , a ttractive? OFFICER : No 9 no Suprisingly , except for two girls see one was twenty-two and the other was twenty-three Twenty-two and twenty-three and al1 the others were sixty-five 9 sixty-eight , sirty-three , fifty-five, pretty you kznow STRHAN Gee , that' s really something. I wonder often , wha t wa S , what was , eh OFFICER No doubt that is the mall that is demented mind sexua The way feel nOW possibly that it is a, young pers and he has 3 psychological factor that he should kill his mother , 0r s ome thing= SIRHAN : Oh OFFICER Because he had a fairly bad childhood This is the way the psychologists ha ve been setting up the pattern _ SIRHAN_ But going into a conversation , is it when , is this before o1 later that he a dmits that he is trying but Will not believe ? OFFICER : Well_ SIRHPN OFFICER Wel1 guys like this see this is a true story and remember he escaped bacl in ' 66. Fe escaped from prison He was out for three or four dajs back in New Yorl and Pennsylvania 9 back in that area , and he had the state in a real turmoil SIRHAN : Tha t S0 '582 two , eh, old , Eh , 1ly on , they ================================================== Page 10 ================================================== IA 56-156 OFFICER : Well, he didn 't do anything far a8 , you lrnow , killing anyone else , but he escaped for a few dajs and then they recaptured hin _ SIRHAN This wa S , this wa s recently , wasn 't it When they tracked him in the S12OW ? OFFICER I don ' + Inow if they tracked hin in the snow or not , I really don T t Irnow It was back in 63 , or 62 or 63 _ SIRHAN Oh no . This 18 like a year ag0 . OFFICER : Oh this happened back: it started in June 62_ June 62 . STRHAN Got any children ? OFFICER Got two A .little girl &nd little boy _ SIRHAN I wouldn t believe that OFFICER : Yeah, well. S IRHAN told me OFFICER The little girl 1s three , three in February _ I ha ve 3 little He 11 J6 eight months old the ninth of this month He just 8 tarting he wantc to wa Lk, but yo1 Izn OW , he kind of , eh. SIRHAN Trying_ OFFICER He crawls around a lot and gets into everything _ He sure wants to move about STRHAN: You know it happens about that time You Icnow OFFICER : It will take another month, he '11 probably_ SIRHAN Start creeping faster 583 3 No , in , boy_ to , ================================================== Page 11 ================================================== LA 56-155 OFFICER Yeah Of course , he is pretty big though for his age Kinq Of heavy 9 but he around pretty good . SIRHAN How long, hOW much doe8 he weigh when he was born ? OFFICER Well, let's ~see , I think eight pounds s ome thing. SIRHAN Would tha t be mucln? OFFICER : Wa s12 t too much really considering But after 9 he grew like a little weed _ He just seemed like every week he gained and gained and gained and now his hands , fantastic They re and strong - He gets a hold 0f 8 Dmne thing and you can hardly pull hin Of: , you krnow ) he 3 SIRHAN You JrnOw that'8 odd _ You InOW , Ely folks when ba by OFFICER Uh huh SIRHAN 0 ? I bet your wife must have believe chronologica description of that thing- infant will take_ 9 will do as he progresses along in months OFFICER : Right SIRFIAI : And like you said about eight months Or S0 he starts wanting to we lk . But sooner , say %hc third month he is hanging on the grip_ OFFICER Yeah_ SIRHIAN: Hanging on a grip, yeah 584 gets big pin lly ================================================== Page 12 ================================================== 1 LA 56-156 LHD/ sdb OFFICER : CATHER INE is her first name CATHERINE SUE She talks 3 lot now , she ' s 8 real terror 9 terror of the neighborhood SIRHAN: What other financial responsibilities (unintelligible) epply for 2 child (being) fron conception to childs birth and after that , you know , hospital and doc hemorrhaging OFFICER : Wha t do Jou men ? Financially_ 9 as far as parents? SIRHAN Yes , you know , responsibility financial (unintelligible) OFFICER : Well, here in California 2 about the standard fee, now this is just in the average standard fee like for a doctor now is about $200_ SIRHAN Tha t ' 8 the full amount? OFFICER : Well what this counts for 18 like the prenatal care, where the wife or girl first finds out that she is pregnant and then she 11 go once 2 week and the doctor will look at her 9 take her pressure and stuff like this and then the hospital that cost8 9 if it is a normal delivery , you can figure eround about seven hundred Six hundred or seven hundred SIRHAN (Unintelligible) OFFICER: Yeh, its a lot of money , but now my wife , she ran into a few complications 9 and she had to have a little bit of surgery and then she had to have SIRHAN Serious? @FFICER : well nothing serious 5 but it did require a little bit of surgery and that wa s an additional expense 585 tor , no , No , ================================================== Page 13 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/sdb SIRHAN: Was that caesarean type of OFFICER : No She didn t have 8 caesarean , she had the regular normal child delivery , but in about two days afterwards _ 9 her infection set in SIRHAN In the (abdoinal) (unintelligible) OFFICER : in the uterus area So then she had to have 8 ome operation and the doctors gave her a good chance But then that raised the costs to &lmost $1,200_ Real close by the time we figured everything. By the time it first initially started until we home It was about that much She had to stay in the hospital_ a few extra dajs and the hospital bed alone was $38 a day and that I2s a 3 bed room that wa sn't a private room SIRHAN- What do you nean a 3 bed rOOm? OFFICER : Well, like there were three , it was a kind of privete It was a ward A three bed ward A private ward in thi8 particular hospital ran about close to $60 . SIRHAN: In a day? OFFICER : Just one If you Laj in bed there it costs you $60 bucks SIRHAN They &lwajs look for ra king it in specialized medicine and things like that beceuse of experience unintelligible) OFFICER : Well I dor ' t know There 18 S0 many bad things about it really I think because , well, even though it is expensive 9 I enjoy being a ble to go to the doctor 586 No , got day _ ================================================== Page 14 ================================================== 3 LA 56-156 LHD/sdb whenever I like Because that' s a reason that I took up Blue Shield instead of Kaiser Insurance Because now Kaiser yoU can still go to the hospitel and you go to the clinic and Jou only see the doctor that is assighed for that certain SIRHAN you mean just like yoU come here to work and ha goes there to Work- QFFICER : Yes 9 right He ' s his particular office or whatever the case majy be SIRHAN That ' 8 just like working in a gas station OFFICER: Yeh, no difference. SIREAN Are we with another body in here ? 037ICER : there' s nobody in here So what about yourself? How old are you ? You look very young 23? SIRHAN: (unintelligible) _ I say about a kid, 23 years , you been working here two years 9 and you got t0 xe 21 to be a Policeman 9 oh hell, your about 25 , 28 ,27? G#FHER: 24 going on 25_ Kind of young , started out yo rg SILN Well that' 8 the time to start , early . ONSIcER: Weli that ' s true 5 Jou might as well started SITiAN: What; are you going to do at night? 37ZICZR: Here? @h we just process the people that come tha t are arrested , and fingerprint then just X ~f {Ci; 587 day Oh , got NO , NO , get ================================================== Page 15 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/gdb you know your fingerprints 9 identical) and around 4.oe it won 't be too long now , 4:00 or 4.30 , then they feed SIRHAN: I don 't want to mis8 that OFFICER : Nothing fantastic 5 chow 18 not that great . STRHAN: I don' t know (unintelligible) keeping here can t afford to be choosy _ OFFICER: But they only feed here twice a S0 at least SiRHAN: On really _ OFFICER: Yeh. It' s normal It' 8 standard So SZRTAN : But why at four in the morning? OFFICER : Well, besides certain things yu have to you have to do at about five the prisoner and the fellows that are going to go to court have to be taken in a bus have to be taken s ome g0 out to the valley , s ome go to the court house 9 here up town , and different court houses And they have to start early S0 they can there by 8 :00 and then readj 20 go into process So it S an all night process SCrAN You don t , you don t usually sit with them? 6j"iCZR: no it' 8 just this particular case they wanted me to sit in here _ SZTZAN: (Unintelligible) get they day , d0 , get get No , 588 ================================================== Page 16 ================================================== 5 LA 56-156 LHD/sdb OFFICER : No , we don t normally sit with everyone that coines in because we wouldn t have enough policemen. SIRHAN : I'd hate to pay for it man , you know , these tex pajers OFFICER : Yeh, well 2 you can understand on this particular case there more concerned than usual_ SIRHAN: Yes , 0f course_ 2_ OFFICER : I'd like very much to talk to you 4 OFFICER I don t ever knowyour first name , or nick name like (unintelligible) EzRHAN: They call me SIRHAN SIRHAN talking in background) SIRHAN: Hom Long yOu guys been on this job? (Unintelligible) OFFICER : Well lets see here - Probably an hour Quite a while STRHAN: Huh? 2FFTCER : Quite a while IRHAN: I thought S0 . Good place to learn JXXJCER: How much schooling have you had? S4N: I don t know _ {:?ICER: Well, what I mean by this is have you completa- nnigh school, have you completed college or have yo 1 tc any special trade schools ? 589 No , why why son2 ================================================== Page 17 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/sdb SIRHAN: No , none of that , I wish I did OFFICER : What ' d you hope to get out of life? SIRHAN: Well, I (unintelligible) OFFICER: Are you married? SIRHAN Why did Jou ask me what I've gotten out of life? OFFICER : Well, what had you ? SIRHAN Nothing OZFICER : Nothing, Why? SIRHAN What do you want to do to me? OFFICER : Was it Was mistake on your part , theirs? SIRHAN I don 't know OFFICER : Are you married , were you married, are you divorced? SIRHAN I don t know OFFICER : What do Jou mean you don't know 3ZRFAN Bet thig place is bugged . 0R3ICER : Not this place _ You try to imply too many things _ Your trying to think that yur the big nortorioug criminal S,iSN (unintelligible) 590 ================================================== Page 18 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/sdb OFFICER : Wel1 they heve policemen sitti: g like this quite a few times with different (unintelligible) there' s 3 lot of reasons to protect yourself B. OFFICER : How are you doing? A.OFFICER: I'm still eitting You know you can talk about anything you want to_ Your sure free to talk_ You don t have to think that you can 't sa, this and that ETRHAN: I appreciate the (unintelligible) thank you cop OFFICER : Do you like (unintelligible) ? SIRHAN: Kind of OFFICER : How 'd yol hurt it? SIRHAN: I don 't know _ OFFICER : Lay it dOwn or something? When did it happen? SIRHAN: I don 't remember OFFICER : You can't reiember BLANK TAPE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME UI"ICER: What ' s the matter? GIxpan: Nothing How ' s the pal of yours? ~ZTCER: Huh? SIRHAN: How S the of yours? 591 no , Oh , pal ================================================== Page 19 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/sdb OFFICER : Oh he ' s still working on the ca8e Oh yeh, his identity is broken A man S identity a lwajs comes to late at one time or another SIRHAN : I agree OFFICER : Huh? SIRHAN : I agree (unintelligible) OFFICER? Oh sure We may whoever it another falge impression 9 you know doctor 9 lawyer 2 policemen; who ever the person may farmer SIRHAN: (Unintelligible) getting ready . OFFICER : But at one time or another either immediately or later 2 people are going to know why your there and your real self 9 your true self 9 your true identity_ OFFICER : Number 7 looked up like this STRHAN: Yeh it does _ OFFICER : Even been in jail like this before? SIRHAN: Right now OFFICER : Pretty close quarters , makes you feel like you cut out from society from the world SIZHAN: Yeh, very (unintelligible) 0FZICER : Well not S0 much that just that doesn t bother me , the fast , the wa lls are going to cave maybe (unintelligible) here for awhile 592 i8 ) be > in , ================================================== Page 20 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/sdb OFFICER : You from the LA area? SIRHAN: A little OFFICER : Why don t you talk to me? SIRHAN: don t you let me change Iy shirt? OFFICER : No they wou ldn 't let me do it because they said the other prisoners are going to want their shirt changed to and we don 't have enough shirts for the rest of the prisoners S0 we can't (unintelligible) STRHAN: I thought it (unintelligible) I mean , Jou could adjust it in length, but I don 't blame you your right 5 your right OFFICER : I don t play any punches , I tell you if you can't have something if you can SIRHAN: How do you mean? I like it that way . OFFICER : That' s the way it should be SIRHAN (Unintelligible) OFFICER : (Unintelligible) OFFICER : It was probably was He ' s just new up here . SIRHAN : (Unintelligible) Very nice man _ You are nice to. I mean that_ OFFICER : I messed around a11 yesterday I worked in my yard_ My crazy I've a labradore , darn thing, I went to great pains and putting in some little fern bushes in my yard - 593 Why day dog, got ================================================== Page 21 ================================================== 10 LA 56-156 LH/sdb SIRHAN: Hard work_ OFFICER : So the other night he goes out there 2 and what did he he digs up every fern bush , I think there ' s about four 9 seven , seven fern bushes and he up everyone of them SIRHAN: (Unintelligible) OFFICER: I think what it there' s a few gophers down in there down in the ground and I think he smells them and he starts digging at them _ So I had to do it a11 over again and take them away from him_ SIRHAN: Tha t S a lot of work. OFFICER : And then I didn t lay down last night and any sleep, I usually do but I didn't last night Sleep today? Take off work an hour SIRHAN: (Unintelligible) OFFICER : This is my first day back after two dajs off SIRHAN: Wha t do you do for sports? OFFICER : Like to race motorcycles in dirt some SIRHAN: that' s a lot of fun OFFICER : It' & kind of dangerous 9 but fun SIRHAN: (Unintelligible) 594 d0 , dug iS , get Oh , ================================================== Page 22 ================================================== 11 LA 56-156 LHD/sdb OFFICER : I have 8 scrambler now 2 but I'm thinking about getting a butaco, either a Butaco or a husky marlin SIRHAN: (Unintelligible) OFFICER : the Butaco- Who the heck makes that? It might be English, but I don t know 29 but I know it8 not a Japanese product _ SIRHAN : Apparently the English, German 9 Italian (unintelligible) OFFICER : But either that or a husky marlin, that ' s a pretty good dirt bike SIRHAN: Where do you race? OFFICER : I go out to Newhall sometimes there' s a track out there a couple out there have a ranch, and they have a pretty good track out there And then s ome - times go out by Lancaster _ In fact , a good buddy of mine and I are going out the 16th and race near Lancaster we are going- It' s a 125 mile course SIRHAN: 125 miles course? OFFICER : Yeh _ The biggest one I've raced in was 250 miles You re shot in your shoes 9 your tired, your com 5 pletely exhausted _ I like to hunt and fish_ SIRHAN: What do you hunt? OFFICER : I like to hunt especially_ SIRHAN I like to go deer hunting and grunion hunting. OFFICER : I haven' t gone grunion since Fall of 1965. 595 No , ================================================== Page 23 ================================================== 12 LA 56-156 LHD/sdb SIRHAN: did you decide to become a cop? OFFICER : Oh I dcn't know I've alwajs kind of been interested in law enforcement I have a really good friend back home that was a State Trooper Highway Patrolman and he kind of got me interested into it And then I just felt that that was my way or my little bit of helping society a little bit SIRHAN: (Unintelligible) OFFICER : I should have continued on being a fermer or rancher That ' s what my dad is , a rancher SIRHAN: Oh OFFICER : Still a rancher_ Good life SIRHAN: Beautiful, outdoor life SIRHAN Environment and social conditions , then really you wouldn 't have a11 OFFICER : That means you would have t0 be SIRHAN If you adapx God made you with that , if you were exactly like that about environment or conditions then that woula be beautiful_ you know there would be no aren % they? How would you Icnow? OFFICER: Well I thinlc personally = 3 if you were to have that "ype of society_ 3 and_people were going abide by it, to live it, they would have in my opinion someone with really much, ah, hardly any goals, you know , he didn't really care he just does what he is told to do and he really, he does his little job whether it 596 Why boy , by to, be , of , '8 ================================================== Page 24 ================================================== 13 LA 56-156 IHD/ dac punching hi8 or that and there i8 n0 real gain because if he doe 8 any more he is not gping to get any more credit SIRHAN Well_ 9 I tell you I mean I thihk I can under- stand lookc at animals , talce che horse8 for instance 9 you lcnow even in horses another horse , maine, etc 9 al1 look alile 9 they &l1 act alike you krow and yet , each one of them I think has some feature 9 regard - less of their general appearance8 , we re al1 human beings , right two. Legs, you krnow , some of us have 8ome physical Teature8 Ihat i8 the reason' for my belleving you know that type of thing OFFICER : Well in some sense nOw SIRHAN 9 I Irnew spme horses that , speaking of horse8 _ See YOU ve S IRHAN Yeah, you lmow I gaid that because yoU want my 8ide _ OFFICER : Yeah, yeah, but this 18 really true, you IrnOW , I mean SIRHAN You lmow it would be alright if we didn t have the faculty to realize you krnow you have tb realize the difference 1n2 features and what have you, then really you might a8 well loolc at things and consider each other to be the same OFFICER : Well a man ' 8 mind should be open to challenges a11 the time SIRHAN Right OFFICER It should be open for 597 they ================================================== Page 25 ================================================== 14 LA 56-156 IHD/dac S IRHAN That 8 what I told you OFFICER : New ideas or whatever the case may be SIRHAN Well FRANK he sould be a public spealcer of some sort He has got a beautiful idea a beautiful outlook_ What do other officers think about whak you re saying? What wa8 the sentence? OFFICER : Oh I thinl ihe general trend This I think very much the quality and the trend of tche policeman is getting of higher caliber S TRHAN Yeah, I think that in relationship %0 what we re dis_ cussing . OFFICER Oh I don ' t Irnow 8IRHAN What do yol thinlc on the same point? OFFICER Oh I. A lot of tchem feel very 8imilar ideas I m sure In fact , I aow of several fellows who I don 't know how the personally setrle case, but it you lcow it'8 like any profession There are cases where there 18 misjust and misuse and injustice and everything else connected with al1 professions _ SIRHAN I agree OFFICER : I don 'x care if it'8 the person 'hat may he ' 8 just a c Ommon labroer, maybe he does , may be he washes out toilet bowls or the highest person that can gain a posi- tion in the world _ There T 8 still injustice and maybe misuse of his power _ 9 even though it'8 his power 528 ================================================== Page 26 ================================================== 15 LA 56-156 IHD/ dac STRHAN Let me say Jou lrnow your the first man, Iplease Your the first man that ever said that and expressed in the same way a8 I feel it SIRHAN The feeling I couldn t quit this feeling The way JoU described it OFFICER : How 8 that? OFFICER Vell you mean SIRHAN Misuse of authority OFFICER : Well I think_ SIRHAN Position and things like hat OFFICER : This happens everyday , it happens 28 a Parent cause I cach myself once in a while because of la parent of my little children elling them_different things or this or that that really if I tell them to da it a different way or ask them to do it a different way it would still be accomplished and maybe there wouldn t' be animosity or maybe they wouldn'% feel bad about it You kow thi8 i8 true you never think it applies lto this SIRHAN You re scil1 have God morele8s a8 the malster, you Imow OFFICER : Everything he learns you teach him the traits he picks up he copies after the older person SIRHAN I'm happy for you OFFICER : You had a pretty , you had more education than just high school haven t you? 599 ================================================== Page 27 ================================================== 16 LA 56-156 THD/dac SIRHAN How do you figure? OFFICER : Well, I mean yoU re pretty apt , I mean your not any person that 1s 0f low intelligence and you speal well and you eh _ SIRHAN Thank yol , your togenerous OFFICER : Well, maybe jour just a victim of cireumstance 8 IRHAN Beautiful Or of circumstance OFFICER : Well you lmow you never can tell I mean maybe _ I don t krnow maybe if circumgtances were different_ 9 it be vice versa I'd be over on the bench and you 1 d be over here You kcnow _ 9 you don'% kcnow S IRHAN Like we were discussing those men I don t know if you were listening OFFICER No I wa8 _ I had to eat my lunch STRHAN When Mr KTRSCHE plan you lcnow he Went around prosecuting and things lilre chat He had occabion to be in a vic 5 cim 8 position you Icnow and he had several times lilce we just said You might be here and I might be there you know how it i8, you really he other side Understand the other side hard feelings or whatever OFFICER : Are you Armenian? The reason I a8lc 18 that I have a real good friend that I woric for that Ihe has a shop in Pasadena chat he 1 8 an Armenian and eh SIRHAN I'll 8it for a minute then see 600 get ================================================== Page 28 ================================================== 17 LA 56-156 IHD/dac OFFICER : Well, don ' % you just bit down there S IRHAN Al1 right _ OFFICER What ? SIRHAN (not readable) _ OFFICER Pardon me S TRHAN I can 't see yoL 28 a policeman OFFICER : Alrighc _ S IRHAN You Imnow- Jou lcnow you lmow the average cicizen the average guys ` Ghey have Various types of ipinion of the police you lrnow OFFICER Well sure SIRHAN Can you out of that or do you disagree with me ? OFFICER No this is rue S IRHAN So I having_ general concessions of that stereotype policeman _ OFFICER : Yeah STRHAN I wonder if they have anything out chere? OFFICER There i8 no one else around here We got it from next door but we can t wake him up _ In fact it i89 they' re a11 awake now cause it i8 brealfast and/a11 of them are awake 5c1 why get ================================================== Page 29 ================================================== 18 LA 56-156 LHD/dac STRHAN They are al1 awalce now OFFICER : You were %allcing about stereotype policemen SIRHAN Yeah, stereotype policemen that that , abbut Jou expres8 the same difference You re the complete reversal The complete opposite the you the opposite in such a differenc way You Irnow what I mean That it '8 hard for me t0 thinlc of' you that way . You lcnow what I mean OFFICER 2 Well , I ah , in 8omne re specc _ 3 I hope you just thinl of mj a8 just another human being SIRHAN Well we are a11 brothers OFFICER : It'8 yoU didn t oh, I ask you 5 I said, I ask you if by any chance you were Armenian because the reason I asl the cause is because you loolr just apout identical to a individual I used to worlr for except he was older, of course And ah he ' s Armenian , a real nice fellow He came over here from ah Armenia 9 I guess_ SIRHAN : (Chuckcle ) where else would he come from OFFICER : Yeah, 80 anyway he came over here , oh God, eight or ten years ag0 himself a good business now Doing pretty good He just ah his wife went for her citizen, I gures8 it was her test IRHAN What ? OFFICER : Her citizenship _ S IRHIAN : Uh, where foreigners become a citizen_ 602 got ================================================== Page 30 ================================================== 19 LA 55-156 IIID/dac OFFICER Yeah, study for citizen_ I guess it is| really hard. I never really ah a friend I wa3 working with out in Hollywood_ that his wife was a ah an English girl, he wa8 in the bervice and he married her over in England and he brought her home and he said that she studied a year or over that I gue88; This con- stant scudying Learning everything have to Imow I talked to several individuals and chey said it wa8 quit 9 I didn * realize it was tha hardl to become a citizen _ To pass the test or whatever it i8 _ SIRHAN I'm glad I don 't have to go . OFFICER : Yeah SIRHAN So we don' & have to g0. OFFICER I can see it would be hard to go into 8 strange country _ Well it' 8 even that way when you go down into Mexico I g0 down there fishing once in a while 9 and you go down there and it 18 a complete different world_ SIRHAN Different environment eh OFFICER And you g0 down there and try to explain something to someone and they re lost Maybe they krhow what you re tallcing about and don t want to let on , or maybe thej completely Icnow what your talling about One of the two And boih you re lost and boih you wall off shaking your heads and wondering wha € 8 happening S IRHAN : Yeah, and gO , and gO , and go , no hard feelings you krnow because you Irnow 9 language barrier 603 they why ================================================== Page 31 ================================================== 20 LA 56-156 THD/dac OFFICER : It'8 a language barrier sure But that 8 where our feelings start A lot of cimes it'8 a language barrier Because a lot of times especially a8 a policeman this happen STRHAN How come? OFFICER : Well if you 8top a Spanish per8o1l You Inow a Spanish spealring person and he honestlyl really in general doesn ' % understand English and maybe the cir- cumstance indicates or something the policeman feels he does understands the situation then automatically there 18 a barrier there Because maybe the policeman feels he 18 trying to cover up or something SIRHAN Well I, I. OFFICER Then che person SIRHAN That 8 right _ 9 that '8 where eh OFFICER : Yeah, now why don t you understand me I tell you the truth, and yol cel1 me a liar You lrnow and this or that and mabye you end up parting company and maybe the person that your interviewing has" gotten a false impression SIRHAN Yeah OFFICER Our first image or whatever the case may be The same thing with policemen for centuries You ha8 happened a couple of times , with where I honestly felt that this person understood English and he wa8 using his language a8 an advantage 88 a crutch 604 me , ================================================== Page 32 ================================================== 21 LA 56-156 IHD/dac SIRFIAN Yeah, barrier OFFICER : You know as a crutch- SIRHAN As crutch, oh OFFICER : You Irnow and I really 8incerely believe this _ Buc it was no way that I could prove it _ There wa8n 't any Spanish spealcing officer available at that particular time So _ SIRHAN What 18 it then I don t kow if I could say what 1 8 aVerage What i8 the average mentality of people thai come in OFFICER : In, in the jail Gee , I don t lrnow vexy, very truth- fully 9 there is 8ome ah real uneducated | persons Now some just , some people who have never really had an opportunity _ Some people have never wanted to take an opportunity_ IRHAN : Oh , how I wanted to . OFFICER : You Imow there 18 s0 many people come in here that they can always blame someone else They can never , you cnOW , maybe_ maybe there 18 a lot of reasons someone else may be at faulc for a loc of things but there are 80 many people blaming everything on someone else You know they don 'x realize maybe , I was at fault a little bit You lcnow _ ) maybe just a little bit I was at fault We are getting back to doing things again 605 they, why ================================================== Page 33 ================================================== 22 LA 56-156 THD/dac S TRHAN Well really, how can how can how can one really get away from it OFFICER You can 't SIRHAN You can t, yeah OFFICER Thi8 , this the human error You lmow _ The mind The human mind SIRHAN To heli with that right . OFFICER Thanks S IRHAN I am saying it in the times You must be tired of it OFFICER : Nah SIRHAN I thinl, Jou Irnow 9 I, we sort of on terms with each other the way we "were before OFFICER : But I don'% lrOW your name I don 't think it's doing justice to you or right to anyone just to call you JOHN DOE S IRHAN You will in time OFFICER : Why? SIRHAN Unreadable OFFICER Who are they? S TRHAN You Imow a11 them 606 ================================================== Page 34 ================================================== 23 LA 56-156 LHD/dac OFFICER : Oh, the detectives . STRHAN Yea OFFICER Oh , can t you tell me? S TRHAN Olcay 3 pal , you ready to go SIRHAN Olcay if I wash my hands? OFFICER Good - OFFICER : Come over here , why don 't you wash them over here We can do it 607 why yet? ================================================== Page 35 ================================================== LA 56-156 A_ OFFICER : I thought some of the things you sa1d _ 8ome of the things you mentioned crossed my mind you wonder here ' 8 , a11 of a sudden here ' 8 a guy that's on your team &nd now a11 of a sudden he 's on the other team STRHAN: Right , right. A OFFICER and, 1f anything, I think probably they worked harder because the feeling that everybody 18 going to be looking at them say are they going to this guy a break because he ' 8 one of them? I think they probably Work harder_ Don't you? SIRHAN : You to pay? Try in what respect? A OFFICER : I think they actually worked harder on him than they Would have under other circumstances , because everybody Would be thinking just what Jou are probably thinking_ 9 that this guy is one of them, they are not going to try to be hard on him_ SIRHAN: Well, I don't kmnow why do you want to saj that superficially that they were trying to do that. He woula have it if he knows the judges and he knows the whole book yol might saj Ba OFFICER: Yeah, but first of all they turn the inves - tigation and prosecution over to the Attorney General rather than_ SIRHAN: State police? B_ OFFICER: Yeah, right , because he was a member of the District Attorney' 8 staff , District Attorney' s 608 too, give try ================================================== Page 36 ================================================== LA 56-156 Office bowed out , who woula normally prosecute that type of case, and the Attorney General' s Office came in, and took over the investigation and the prosecution of the case 80 there couldn't be any allegations of any kind of collab- oration because he wa8 8 member of the staff that something wa8 done in that manner. The toughest part about our business i8 trying to find out the right person = The toughest part about SIRHAN: Wait_ wait, wait, wait_ Trying to find out the right person? B OFFICER : To have the right person_ We have more trouble proving a person innocent than we do have proving gullty_ I can work like hel1 on a case trying to prove somebody is innocent And I probably work harder on a case to prove this _ So does he SIRHAN : But really, would you indulge your- self in it to begin with_ In trying to prove them innocent _ I mean aren't you_ B_ OFFICER: Itl8 part of your job A_ OFFICER: to eliminate them _ it18 part _ B_ OFFICER : of your job _ Seriously now you got a pretty open mind 9 you think about these things _ SIRHAN : I am alwajys open like I 8aid. I am always a good listener, but I am very hard to persuade _ A OFFICER : I understand that_ You a case here , three suspects alright, you to work hard If Jou prove a guy innocent_ 8o much the better, because what you have eliminated them_ Under- stand me? 609 why got got ================================================== Page 37 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN Well, I am not an investigator 9 really 9 80 I am agreeing with you for ar gument sake A OFFICER : Well 9 all right _ Your taking what I am saying at face value 9 at least , whether you it personally or not that S up to Jou But thats the way we feei about it In other words , we are concerned in finding the right guy to prosecute 9 and not just prosecuting I know a lot of people that think otherwise 9 but that not the case You know li8ten he and I have a different job than some people , we 're no different from you or anybody else SIRHAN Your human beings _ A OFFICER : That ' s right We try to do our job the best we can 9 and let me ask you this Would you purposely try to hang some guy in a case if you thought he was innocent? SIRHAN: But really I have such an (mumbles ) indifferent attitude I entertain a different attitude toward this business because really the thoughts and the truth, really 9 re relative Where there is no factual there is no facts directly 8a,y this is wrong, this 18 right_ 9 and you know everything 1s what you think, it 18 , no ? A OFFICER: That ' s right STRHAN: that for me to 8ay that a man 18 , like you says , you want to hang a man and you don t t want to hang a and this and that Really for my conscience sake 9 I Would just sit down and not commit myself Really 9 because what if I did succeed in having him hanged ? 610 buy '9 they So , man , ================================================== Page 38 ================================================== LA 56-156 A OFFICER : You are getting ahead of me now _ I'm just saying if Jou had a preference a8 a human being, you certainly wouldn't try 'to have some person even charged with a crime if you thought he was innocent Now just you, yourself ) I krnow you wouldn't, I don't have to ask you_ SIRHAN : I don't understand. A OFFICER : Well, 1f Jou were in our shoes and, well, I can't sa,y that because I am putting you back in_ You Wouldn't try to convict an innocent person , you, yourself Would you Work hard to convict a person that you really sincerely believe 18 innocent? SIRHAN: I don't really know_ 9 you re asking me this question and you are putting me, you're giving me the responsibility of something 80 fantastic that 18 beyond my mental and physical ability to cope With, reelly_ mumb ling A OFFICER: I don't think it 18 beyond your mental ability_ I think you a lot of mental ability and I think you have been putting u8 on a little bit here _ SIRHAN: What are you talking about Mr A OFFICER: See right now right now , you are doing it _ You re very sharp, you 're very sharp STRHAN: Do you mean that a8 a compliment or a , A_ OFFICER : I mean that a8 a C ompliment _ I no reason to say otherwise_ STRHAN: Well, I actually thank you sir 611 got got ================================================== Page 39 ================================================== LA 56-156 A_ OFFICER : 1 owed you one You said something nice about me and it8 the least I could do, and in this case, I'm sincere Could I ask you how much education you have without getting into forbidden waters here? SIRHAN: Really , nothing 18 forbidden_ A OFFICER : Well, you know what I mean: STRHAN: Just for the tape sake, how Would you interpret what I mean? A OFFICER: Well, yol mean if you responded to my question about how much formal education Jou had? STRHAN: Whatk that? A OFFICER: This 18 selfish curiosity . SIRHAN : Very formal education stands 1t'8 really, again it'8 what you think_ You know , I mean what it is A OFFICER : I specified formal because some people who have no formal education, by formal I would mean What's the matter? Your knee bothering you? Are Jou in an uncomfortable position there? Or SIRHAN : I am trying to pop it_ A OFFICER : Do you Want to put it on the chair? SIRHAN : that'8 all right _ B OFFICER : Oh, i8 it twisted? SIRHAN: it'8 hurting some now B OFFICER : Do you want to it up here? 612 No , No , put ================================================== Page 40 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN : No, no, no . Never Relaxation is my desire_ B_ OFFICER: You can relax like I do . I relax best with my feet up SIRHAN: It sure feels good to be an investigator doesn't it? A OFFICER : I enjoy it . It'8 a lot of Work. mumbling SIRHAN: And a lot of responsibility. A_ OFFICER: Yeah_ 9 lots of responsibility Sincere about your job which I think I alwajs have been _ SIRHAN: Listen, how Would Jou just concern; me by what one saj8 and then reversing what he say8 or A OFFICER Not usually SIRHAN: deluding anybody I love Mr JORDAN you know and turn around an blasti the shit out 0f hin_ A= OFFICER : Oh well. How do you feel yourself? That '8 the only way Jou can measure sincerity _ It'8 individual 8 feeling nobody knows you know how sincere I am and I know how sincere you are_ STRHAN: I agree _ A OFFTCER: You to take everybody and figure out their face value and go from there Jou know ? SIRHAN: It'8 a presumption then_ no , no, got 613 ================================================== Page 41 ================================================== LA 56-156 A _ OFFICER : Of what? SIRHAN I know_ A OFFICER : What do you mean? Presumption of what? SIRHAN Well, When you face Jourself _ ; you know you presume something that I don't understand A OFFICER: Well, now I can explain it to Jou SIRHAN: Oh , hell, you investigator_ A_ OFFICER : Humm SIRHAN: You investigators _ A OFFICER : He ' 8 sharp, he ! 8 going to assume nothing_ He won't even let you the words in his mouth SIRHAN: Really A11 of them talking at the same time_ $ can't understand_ A OFFICER: That'8 what We re doing; that' 8 what We want you to do , B OFFICER : Wel1, we would like to convey the idea to you and establish some sort of rapport with you in some matter that you maybe could feel that you could trust 48 a8 much as anybody can in this particular predicament we find ourselves in The point W e are trying to make to you i8 that We have to do certain things _ STRHAN: Like investigating A OFFICER : And we re not going to do anything that shouldn't be done You can prove somebody ! s innocent . I'd just 38 soon do that a8 prove 614 put ================================================== Page 42 ================================================== LA 56-156 they re guilty _ I'd rather do that You can more satisfaction More of a satis- faction_ Something you got to live with and_ SIRHAN: I'11 hold Jou to that statement . I'd like your number A OFFICER : You can hold me to it, 80 help me SIRHAN: Something you to live with_ Really , that's quite touching_ A OFFICER : That'8 right You leave here and g0 home SIRHAN: 4 man has the right _ reserves the right to have this statement at my disposal at any time _ A_ OFFICER : Absolutely . SIRHAN: Thank you_ B OFFICER : No question about anything that We do? We Tre public servants in effect, 80 in effect Jou might say it'8 public property, within reasonable bounds ; I mean proper requests , proper channels _ Will be honored certainly _ Were Jou just not going to cell me about your you didn't cut me off or nothing? SIRHAN: No, I don't, no, no _ Forgive me if I implied that_ I read a lot B OFFICER: I gathered that_ You like to read ? STRHAN : I enjoy it_ B OFFICER : Well, I ean't argue there _ I lfke to read myself _ 615 get got no, ================================================== Page 43 ================================================== LA 56-156 A OFFICER: And what do you like to read? SIRHAN: Anything you me A OFFICER: You're not 3 mystery reader , are you? SIRHAN : I'm a fancier of good mystery stories. I' m alwajys anxious to krnown the unknown _ B . OFFICER : Not science fiction? SIRHAN: I don't care much for that Anything really . Like you 8aid, or I don't know if you meant it at a11 or remember that 5 you know _ you complimented me on having an open mind $ no? B _ OFFICER : Right , right _ SIRHAN Well, why Would having an open mind imply you restrict your source or type of material you want to read or discu88 or respond to_ B OFFICER : You have any particular_ What have vou read recently that appealed to you? My readings been remiss here lately but some- thing Jou really liked 5 really enjoyed, that you read recently_ SIRHAN: Well, like I wa8 telling with Mr _ HOWARD about the stock market A OFFICER : Al1 right _ STRHAN: Browse through it; I don't understand any - thing about it and he didn't understand any - thing about it I asked him to try to explain something about it for me . You know how it goes on and operates like that You know the transaction type for the actual procedure 18 for acquiring stock and the disposing of it 616 give Oh , ================================================== Page 44 ================================================== LA 56-156 and profiting from it and things like that you know They re really fascinating in looking at the readings in the paper about it A OFFICER: Listen there are a lot of people that spend a lot of money that don't know much about it too _ A lot of monej changes hands in stocks It'8 kind of a legalized' gambling 18 what it boils down to B_ OFFICER: If you wanted to buy stock you would do it just the same way I would SIRHAN: How? B_ OFFICER: Call up a broker and say I would like to buy some stock. SIRHAN: And hell if you were a gambler you can't call up any ola bookie and place such a bet _ A_ OFFICER: 9 I say its sort of a legalized it8 accepted no stigma attached to it 9 even in church they accept the stock markets _ B_ OFFICER: And let your stockbroker do the rest of the work Send him the money and SIRHAN 5 per cent interest? What is their cut in the U _ S . here B OFFICER: I couldn't answer your question A OFFICER : I think it'8 at least 5_ B_ OFFICER: They a commission but huh _ A. OFFICER: On resale I think, automatically a piece When you buy it some 9 and when you sell 8ome 617 No get they , get they get they get ================================================== Page 45 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN They you both ways huh? A_ OFFICER: Sure SIRHAN: Then you can't contact independently can you? A OFFICER : No _ B_ OFFICER: You have to be a member of the exchange Ag OFFICER: You have to go through the broker B_ OFFICER: Yeah That ' 8 _ I never had enough money to fool around stock markets especially SIRHAN: I wish I had_ Really that would be a good adventure to erperiment with B= OFFICER: Oh it'8 a lot of fun I gue8s I know people SIRHAN: You a few dollars to throw away Ag OFFICER: That'8 the clue right there if you have a few dollars _ B OFFICER: That you can throw way . You see which is right SIRHAN: Well again you know you can find them again and them back at 5 per cent or whatever profit 5 you can A_ OFFICER : If you the last the ideal one 18 what buyer the dollar share and have it shoot up to $95 or $100 a share but it doesn 1 t happen_ At least if I bought I m sure the company would go broke SIRHAN: It ain't no fair if policemen were in a private enterprise I'd buy a few shares of it just 618 got got get get _ get ================================================== Page 46 ================================================== LA 56-156 because your in it Mr JORDAN _ BS OFFICER: I wonder about our business if it woula be good _ You were never lacking for business _ 619

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