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================================================== Page 1 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/sdb SIRHAN: Senator DEAN RUSK resembles the (unintelligible) in my opinion We never had that before. OFFICER : No SIRHAN: He has a great resemblance to you _ OFFICER : Only I got a little bit more hair than he has SIRHAN: A little lighter_ Really a little make-up , and you re an actor in Hollywood _ OFFICER : Of course I never seen him, only on television SIRHAN: Same difference OFFICER : Al1 people look a little different when you see them in person_ SIRHAN What' 8 taking Mr JORDON 80 Long? OFFICER : I don t know . When you into one of these things it gets a little involved 9 sometimes mysterious Investigation becomes tedious SIRHAN: Well eh interesting. In a11 it' 8 possibilities . OFFICER : The interesting part of it One of the interesting things 13 to find out exactly who JOHN DOE 1s _ Tha t 8 what I'm interested in SIRHAN: You know that' 8 beautiful, beautiful Mayybe We should keep it interesting _ 524 boy get ================================================== Page 2 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 LHD/sdb OFFICER : We have to I guess .you are the doctor there But it' s going to be interesting to see who JOHN DOE really is We eh_ SIRHAN : Speak up man OFFICER : You are just sort of ma tching wits with u8 SIRHAN You know there'8 2 horse named that? OFFICER What? SIRHAN: Matching wits OFFICER : Is there? SIRHAN: Or something to that effect _ OFFICER : Anywaj that' 8 sort of what we re doing now _ SIRHAN: Well I think, like I said , I'm a Lways opened for any kind of an intellectual educational, anything that muld benefit my mind aS well as wha tever I can contribute to there helpfulness or benefit of that proposition What more can you ask for OFFICER : Well, first you could have a nice conversation and everything_ SIRHAN: What do yoU think? OFFICER : You should a ls0 make our job a lot easier 525 ================================================== Page 3 ================================================== 3 LA 56..156 LHDsdb SIRHAN: But then you might lose the interest in the mystery _ OFFICER : we 're not going to lose interest SIRHAN: Laughing OFFICER : Just knowing who JOHN DOE ie isn t going to answer any questions _ SIRHAN: Obviously you know who JOHN DOE 18 you gave me that name OFFICER : Well that the name we to use when we haven t anything better to use It' 8 either JOHN DOE or JANE DOE _ SIRHAN: Who ' s JANE _ OFFICER : If it' s a woman it is JANE DOE , if it' 8 JOHN DOE I don 't know how they ever came up with it It' 8 just some thing SIRHAN: Just a phrase they come up with eh? OFFICER : And it'8 alwajs been JOHN DOE or JANE DOE and a until you could find a better name or a factual name we have to go along with JOHN DOE and JANE DOE Sometiies it takes a long time sometimes it doesn t take too long You know There 8 people like you who want to be JOHN DOE_ We have people amenesia victims who don t rea lly know 80 re carried as JOHN DOE No 1 a8 of a certain date You maybe, well I don t know how they re carrying 526 Oh , got got they ================================================== Page 4 ================================================== LA 56-156 LHD/sdb it on here You may be JOHN DOE No _ 1, June the Fourth or June 9 because there might have been 8 JOHN DOE yesterday and there might be another JOHN DOE tomorrow S0 they will knov which JOFN DOE they re talking about when you re talking about JOHN DOE If there had been another JOHN DOE then would have had to JOHN DOE No 2 . SIRHAN: Yeh, you know junior and senior OFFICER: In death cases you a lot of JOHN DOES _ SIRHAN: How ' s that? OFFICER : Well when an individual dies in some manner and has no identification it shows the wej they can be carried as the JOHN DOE SO through some type of identification where we can ascertain who are , where they re from, that sort of thing you know Sometimes it' 8 quick, sometimes it takes hours Sometimes you re never eble to identify somebody SIRHAN: Yeh, I guess 9 yoU know there' s 2.8 billion people in California OFFICER : You may remain JOHN DOE , for who knows SIRHAN: There he is _ JORDON: Did you mis s me . SIRHAN: Wha t ' s the good word? JORDON : I don ' t think you missed me 527 1968" they put get they ================================================== Page 5 ================================================== 5 LA 56-156 IHD/dac S IRHAN What 8 the good word. What did I say? Wha t did I say? OFFICER We were tallring about JOHN DOEs J ORDON J OHN DOEs I can't think of a man that 8 more qualified to speak on JOHN DOEs OFFICER : JOHN DOEs SIRHAN Well, I can explain _ JORDON Huh, you Ve become fond of JOHN DOE? S IRHAN Well, I'm crying to like 80 it' 8 just fine You kow I'm always Jikeeabie JORDON What about JESSE? SIRHAN Beautiful JORLON You like JESS? SIRFIAN JESS , JANE whatever you want t0 call me JORDQN You don t want to talk about JESS or JESSE? SIRHAN I'11 talk about anything you want JORDON It doesn ' t sound familiar to you? SIRHAN JESSE_ 9 JESSE JAMES JORDON : There 8 a JESSE that I do lcnow I have to admit that other JESSEs that you can think of? 528 Any ================================================== Page 6 ================================================== LA 56-156 IHD/ dac SIRHAN I don t really krnow How abou yoU Mr MURPHY? MURPHY I know two JESSEs _ SIRHAN : You said we re cancelling the JOHN . Back in the your old days SIRHAN How long have you been on the force Mr JORDON? JORDON Well only about 15 years . S TRHAN Holy mackrel ! JORDON Well llsten that 2 ; OFFICER : He ' 8 a recruit JORDON I'm just starting to my feet wet at 15 years SIRHAN How do you , how do you mean? JORDON Well I'm still learning the business I 8till got a long way to go , really that '8 right 9 he 11 tell you _ SIRHAN You Ve probably turned the fire a million times JORDON No no Now do I act like a guy thats going to turn the fire on? Just because I called him JESSE he thinks that I'm a bad guy now? 8IRHAN No _ JORDON I just thought we 'd it for size 529 only get try ================================================== Page 7 ================================================== LA 56-156 THD/dac S IRHAN Beautiful_ 9 I lile it JORDON You like it? S IRHAN I think it'8 wonderful_ That 8 my new name JORDON Now doe sn ' t that sound better than JOHN? S IRHAN Well its. J ORDON JESSE DOE instead of JOHN DOE S IRHAN Well it's a nice variation it makes i0 more interesting _ JORDON Sure it does You know what we do Do you have any objections telling u8 what you Ve done in your illustrious past here I meail in what type of work have you indulged in? S IRHAN: Beautiful 9 beauciful There 8 another double implica- 5 tion there JORDON Oh , I'm sorry , I didn t pick this up SIRHAN It'8 alright I want some more coffee - JORDON You want some more coffee? SIRHAN ; I need it a litile warmer , it'8 a little cold. Please 1f it'8 170 inconvenience at a11 JORDON What can be inconvenient at 4:30 in the morning_ SIRHAN It 18 4:30 or 5;00 or a quarter {o 5:002 530 ================================================== Page 8 ================================================== LA 56-156 THD/ dac OFFICER A quarter to 5:00 SIRHAN Are you sure it'8 a quarter to 5:00? OFFICER : 411 the way , how about that S IRHAN I had thai feeling_ JORDON You mean you canl tell what time it 18? SIRHAN Well I don x understand why me JORDON Do you follow inl any particular {rade? SIRHAN What do you mean? JORDON What krind of workc do you do? SIRHAN Oh 9 whatever you want me to do JORDON : Well you could have thought of something _ SIRHAN Really everything fagcinates me in life You know there i8 80 much to learn that crying to specialize in one thing you IcnoW is just jeopardizing your Imowledge in appreciating of whatever else there you Iow _ JORDON Yea SIRHAN Like being an investigator 9 yol want to specialize in it, loolc at what your missing in other field8 of life, law, medicine ,. science, you lrnow , teaching school, etc 531 not 18 , ================================================== Page 9 ================================================== LA 5-156 IHD/dac JORDON Yea, but don t jou think you car only do one thing well? SIRHAN Your limiting yourself JORDON Right_ > your limiting yourself 9 do you think that you can do more than one thing well You krnow saying SIRHAN : As an objective, now? JORDON : Yea SIRHAN Oh , well like I said I can do everything to the best of my ability Whatever it 18 I don t know _ It has to present itself JORDON Well what does challenge you? SIRHAN Everything I said in life, everything is 2 challenge Life itself is a challenge JORDON You have no particular fields 0f? SIRHAN When I watch a barber, I just stand and watch that barber for hours from the time I'm watching him I want to be nothing but a barber Even if I watch 2 dentist boy he 's fagcinating: I want to be him: I wa8 talling to the way he tallced you know described the place Really I wa 8 very fascineted &1d you mow was sort of superimposed my ~ self in hi8 pasition -for temporarily_ JORDON What about some sausage and eggs with your coffee? 532 and ================================================== Page 10 ================================================== 10 LA 56-156 IHD/dac SIRHAN If you share it with me JORDON I will SIRHAN: Beautiful JORDON You Irnow me don 't I talce everytiing SIRHAN I'd enjoy 8 one and I'd enjoy it 1f you would ea c some JORDON I'll eat 8omne 02 it if SIRHAN Wonderful Who wa$ it SHAKESPEARE again that said you lcnow it'8 not nice to eat alone or bomething to that effect JORDON Yea Just for the sake of conversation here How long do you thintr ic 18 going t0 talre 48 to find out who JOHN DOE i8? SIRHAN Well it '8 a mystery_ You know it hell SHAKESPEARE 18 very poetic He ' 8 an actual mystery , no He 8 master of intrigue JORDON Do you think that we 're not going to find out who JOHN DOE 18? STRHAN: Maybe its a good challenge to you _ You know JOHN DOE 18 J OHN DOE he is me JORDON You raise a good challenge 9 yea 533 ================================================== Page 11 ================================================== 11 LA 56-156 THD/dac_ S IRHAN Huh , well maybe JESSE or whatever JORDON You Irnow Jol are going to go before the" magistrate; and STRHAN It this the regular 8*uff OFFICER : Regular scuff 5 I eat it every Oilce 1il a while SIRHAN Oh well, I meail don 't let me eat alone bring this guy a full brealrfask hand OFFICER : The city can't afford to feed him, he ' 8 on company time laughing) JORDON It '8 olcay I had a lictle bit of chat coffee and I don 't lile sugar either Are you going c0 have some more? STRHAN Sure I always lile the same J ORDON More ? SIRHAN If you want help yourself JORDON Oh , I can t 8tand i with sugar I guess that what you drink it with sugar SIRHAN It' 8 very good _ JORDON I can't stand 8ugar _ Ic'8 not the Waldorf Astoria but I as8ume hat you wish me %o . SIRHAN: Help yourself 534 ================================================== Page 12 ================================================== 12 LA 56-156 IHD/dac J ORDON No , I don 't wan&; any nOw SIRHAN There i8 more 0f' it for yol JORDON Hey , I don '% want any SIRHAN Here, I'm not that hungry myself_ JORDON Well, it'8 here if you want it SIRHAN Thank you Hej , in the mean time help yourself _ JORDON No , no, no - If you want me {0 talre some to relax you about eating it S IRHAN but 1f your hungry for it JORDON No , I'm not , I don '% even like sugar in the coffee but I'm doing it becauge I don't want you to 80 we 1 11 just leave it there if you want it SIRHAN Thank you JORDON Sausage, potatoes and eggs , olcay? SIRHAN Thank you _ JORDON And , if the only reason you re not eating it i8 because you wani me to take some first SIRHAN No , no I'm Very franlc, if I feel somethings wrong I'11 8ay it if I feel it'8 right I'8 say it and if 1tl8 good_god damn it;I'11 say' it 'S gooa; and if it' S bad:I 1 throw it in your face 535 NO , ================================================== Page 13 ================================================== 13 LA 56-156 IHD/&ac JORDON That 8 fair enough Don t throw it I'm not responsible _ SIRHAN No , no, no, against talking about throwing it in Bomebody '8 face When I wa8 in your office the first time you had those two plain clotheg people JORDON Out at Rampart? S IRHAN : Yea I was verv thirsty and I asked one of those boys for 8ore hot chocolate 9 they refused it to me , not to you _ Kiclced that cup right in his face, I apologized later, but that 8 if I don ' * like it damn 9 I'1l 8ay I don'& like it JORDON Well, if yol SIRHAN If I lile it , I'11 say it complaining about J ORDON Well 2 he probably, just listenl, probably he wa8 afraid_ 2 he didn 1 t want to take the responsibility of letting you have anything without clearing wiih somebody 8o Jou really it'8 probably my fault rather than his because I hadn T Told him it wa8 alright , 80 that 's the only reason SIRHAN Well, I cleared ix with him With the both of them, I apologize most you Irnow JORDON Okay cause you re a gentleman, you !ve acted like a gentieman right down the line SIRHAN Thank you JORDON So _ no , god 536 ================================================== Page 14 ================================================== 14 LA 56-156 IHD/ dac SIRHAN Fair play 18 at worlc, hah OFFICER Fair play JORDON Kind of feel lile I've coffee in my veins instead of eh OFFICER : What happened to HOWIE , HOWIE J ORDON He probably went home and went to bed . S IRHAN He 8 lazy , hah? JORDON That 8 what he said 9 didn't he _ S TRHAN foreign Wwords) JORDON Now what wa8 cha ? Oh S IRHAN I'm you Irnow JORDON Oh SIRHAN Just some fancy word JORDON Ha , ha _ $ ha JORDON Come on JESS _ 3 some fancy word 9 I'l1 bet you know 8 lot of fancy words See now we re getting MURPH sleepy just talkcing about it SIRHAN And we applied something too, no? JORDON I think you re going to_ 537 got sleepy , ================================================== Page 15 ================================================== 15 LA 56-156 IHD/dac OFFICER : I aslred you and 1 didn't get an answer on it SIRHAN Oh , forgive me OFFICER : When you g0 in front of the magistrate and you re going to be asked what your true nane what krind of an answer are you going to give the judge? SIRHAN Well, I don { IrnOW , JESS IE DOE or incommunicado JORDON JESSIE INC OMMUNICADO . SIRHAN That '8 beautiful OFFICER : You can'% be incommunicado in court S IRHAN : When one 18 judged in absentia how 1s he _ OFFICER : We don 't have anything in absentia here Nobody 18 judged in absentia in the, United States You have to be presen 9 you have to be charged , you have t0 know what the charges are, there 18 no such thing a8 absentia JORDON Could I see your hand JESS , do you mind, just SIRHAN You guys rolled about 100 _ JORDON no I just want to loolc, I want to See if you do as 'ii#8ie work a8 I do _ You obviously work with your brains , not your hands S IRHAN To rhe contrary STAN, I worl with everything that brings up a topic 538 18 No , ================================================== Page 16 ================================================== 16 LA 56-156 IHD/dac JORDON Well, well SIRHAN Like I said though he aslced me what do I like every _ thing that comes up , whatever worl 18 required_ JORDON Would it be a fair a88umption to say you are not a regular ditchdigger for example With big callouses from digging S TRHAN Well, if I had to dig my front lawn to put in a sprinkler system how else can I do it but it JORDON Then it would blister, right because you and I are not equipped {o handle work likze that We could toughen up in a few days You sourtd' like you hate yard worlc lile I do _ S IRHAN I love it , I love it JORDON You lile to worlc in the yard_ S IRHAN I love it JORDON You mean sincerely? SIRHAN Sincerely If the yard is nice i0 start with You know , if 1t'8 well organized_ 9 landscaped and get JORDON What you saying 18 you like to Ireep up a nice but you don t lile to do the Girty work in the firbc place _ S IRHAN No , well if the job has to be done it has to be done You can procrastinate about ix 539 aig yard ================================================== Page 17 ================================================== 17 LA 56-156 LHD/dac OFFICER : I'd rather go play golf _ STRHAN Beautiful 9 but you 8acrificing whatever it i8 , the pleasure of whatever it 18 that you are avoiding to do OFFICER : That '8 right and I avoid it al1 I can SIRHAN Beautiful, what t the latest , what 8 your score , what 1 8 your par in golf _ OFFICER : Not very good , I'm a 19 handicap SIRHAN I don' € know the firgt thing about golfing or you go back 18 or 18 it 9 and you g0 back 9 Scotland_ J that the only thing I kanow abouk it JORDON Scotland, that '8 a play a loc of golf over there You actually enjoy Working in the yard 9 garden , that sort of ttring Well, I mean you said you enjoy it , I never never I met a few people who really enjoyed it SIRHAN Oh , you to enjoj i , I mean, if you re going to drive a car or a truc _ JORDON Can you worl wich your hands , nOW I can't _ SIRHAN I can't JORDON I can 't hell, if I nail two boards together they come out cockside 540 18 big_ got ================================================== Page 18 ================================================== 18 LA 56-156 IHD/dac S IRHAN Yea , you can t worlc with your hands man , you can 't eat J ORDON Well, a lot of people _ OFFICER : I'm eating pretty good and I'm not too good with my hands SIRHAN Well sir Jou got too much sbrainy poner tarzeel Lz e differently OFFICER : I'm not too hep on that either JORDON You mechanically inclined? Machine SIRHAN Really , I m inclfned to worl everyching_ JORDON Your inclined_ 9 do you have any particular slcill with one ah SIRHAN I told him if I watch a barber for two hours cutting hair 9 that woula interest me I would just g0 in there and start dancing che way he siiclrs those sissors JORDON You ve got good action there , maybe you should be a barber SIRHAN : I was telling I would want to be him for that moment and if I see a dentist drilling holes I would want to be him too, I would watch him and learn about him whatever and if I 8ee a beautiful waitress in a bar or in a soda fountain I lile to See how she likes t0 carry that , I mean it'8 bomething you have to Imow 541 1C , ================================================== Page 19 ================================================== 19 LA 56-156 IHD/dac JORDON Iet me ask Jou something SIRHAN I was tallcing with he was telling me about that boolr he was reading, his life_ 9 and his life in the jail at night really , I sori of put myself in his shoes for a minute, you know and felt how he you Irnow JORDON Do you draw any discinction between the 80-called menial taslcs 5 things you wouldn t like to do partic _ ularly? S IRHAN Everything in life 18 there for 2 reason , whatever it 18 Whatever ha8 to be done has to be done , has got to be done but vou lcnow if the gre88 i8 too high you have to cut it If this thing 18 empty nOw and if you are fond of blowing smoke , you lcnow puffing on a OFFICER: You don 't smolce SIRHAN : If you want me to I will J ORDON No, I mean , if you want some we 11 get you something SIRHAN You smake? JORDON I smolce cigar once in a while I've never smolred cigarette S IRHAN No , I mean just to be in the game I'11 smolce if you want me to Bmolce JORDON No , no , if you went to smolce you re welcome to smolce bur we re ot going to force you to smolce They re crying to stop people from smolcing_ 3 8ay it 1 8 bad now we re not going to force you to smoke _ 9 that '8 a heck of a way t0 lookr at it Do you work in a gas station, service station 542 18 , they ================================================== Page 20 ================================================== 20 LA 56-156 IHD/dac SIRHAN No , but the only reference chat I meant I said that to ~FRANK was that J how can I Bay it , ah_ you Imow routine of his job here 18 like working at it_ you know he come8 here and I doil ' t remember exactiy how it i8 , it hna8 to be within rhe contexi of what he said and that I said gas station JORDON Well, believe it or not in a11 honest you may have said that to him that wasn 't I piclced it up but I'm interested and what did you di8cu88 with him, once again if I may askc _ SIRHAN no , I had the feeling hat you sort of pickred it from him JORDON I didn ' % , I would have 1f I had Icnown but I didn't _ STRHAN Go ahead nOw if you feel yol want to. JORDON No , no 9 but I didn 't, that wasn ' my point of reference at this time I was just curious if you ever worlced in a gas station, or if you re familiar with it or anything like that STRHAN : Not necessarily , but if I wa8 interested to do it gladly there is always , there 18 always 2 trick of washing machines are going, and what have you no? JORDON Did you ever see a more noncommittal guy than this guy 18 good he is really good . What about a Union Station, do you like any particular station, Union, Standard How about Union SIRHAN They a11 do the same worlc , no? 543 the why NO , no , No , ================================================== Page 21 ================================================== 21 LA 56-156 IHD/dac JORDON That S right _ SIRHAN Meybe Standard claims better service but same product OFFICER Just use any reason you feel Jou should uS to al1 this bowher trying to find out who JOHN DOE 18, wha c his baclcground is SIRHAN No , don 't misunderstand me Yoi are asking me a question and I am answering it Really, I'm being Objective and very franl and oucright OFFICER : Okcay , I'm asking you very frank and eh S IRHAN Really, the few times I don 't think there was anything evasive, that is I mean if you presented a general question how can I you know answer you in particular JORDON Well_ 9 I thinlc I asked you if you ever worked in a ga8 station. SIRHAN you Icnow $ no I shouldn % say no You know if I had to serve myself That 8 work but 1t*8 fraternizing a place at che same time JORDON Have you ever been employed by a gas station where you were paid to service vehicles . Is that specific enough? I'm no trying to be funny now You re pinning me dow1 80 specific questions 80 I'm trying to give you some S IRHAN I cannot see Now talkcing about specifics now I must go back {0 the first 544 put why NO , ================================================== Page 22 ================================================== 22 LA 56-156 THD/dac JORDON Fine 9 olcay , we re bacl to close c0 the eh okay _ SIRHAN No not to the one JORDON To the area that you imnediately clam up and say I don t want to tall about I'm trying to stay away from that area SIRHAN I did not say that I did not want t0 talk about any - thing did I? Did I limit myself to any discussion To any type of discussion No _ A tape recorder: mentioned that JORDON Well, yes you have OFFICER : Yes , you have , you don't want {0 answer specific questions _ SIRHAN Well, now OFFICER I8 that not right S IRHAN Well 80 far our discussion you play and replay this thing_ 9 it was al1 general ic was just plain bullshit JORDON Well, that '8 wly I a8k you am I getting into the area that you don t if I am you say 80 . SIRHAN Are listening to what I'm saying outside right now JORDON No, nobody can hear you out here OFFICER : Thej can t here Jou outside here S IRHAN I'm sorry . 545 they ================================================== Page 23 ================================================== 23 LA 56-156 THD/dac OFFICER : They can listen It'8 going on a tape upstairs _ JORDON They can probably ligten later S IRHAN : I would lile to lrnow how Tell me how this thing operates The electronics of it JORDON Once again, unless MURPH ' 8 an electronic expert , I'm not either OFFICER : I can '% even figure out when I turn a TV on what happens _ A1l I Icnow is that I get the picture and I sit in front of the tube and watch it SIRHAN Now for an investigator who wants particulars and facts really you re contradicting' yourself_ OFFICER : I don t krnow I don 't know anyohing &bout electronics JORDON Someplace I'l1 be honest with you I don t know where there 18 a microphone Now al1 I Iow about a micro- phone is what it looks like 9 and I tell you in all honesty I don 1 t lcnow where it 18 I thing it was con- structed at the time they built %he building, and from that is 2 Wire leading into one of the offices some place else where they have the facilities to record_ Now that '8 2 layman 8 view but that '8 a8 much a8 I Inow Now 18 that a fair SIRHAN Fair_ 3 now the only thing I can add to it 18 that it i8 very ingeniously contrapted _ 546 ================================================== Page 24 ================================================== 24 LA 56-156 THD/dac JORDON : Well 9 that 8 you lrnow these people that design buildings and things like thac everybody has their ow special talen You Ioow that i8 obviously not mine from by brief description of this you can tell that I'm not an electronics 80 that eliminates that _ S IRHAN Again_ 9 I say I'm anxious to Imow about it Again_ 9 like I said I' m anxious to lrnow about a lot of things in life OFFICER : So are we JORDON : The things we re anxious to know you don '% want to talk about OFFICER : Like who 18 J OHN DOE S IRHAN JOHN DOE 18, really, if I say who who i8 Mr MURPHY Mr MURPHY is right here , no? That 8 Mr MURPHY JORDON Alright_ 9 you ask me SIRHAN Who what 18 a cup This 18 a cup, I mean tallking about specifics this i8 it I'm JOHN DOE JORDON I recognize the body JESS buz we ' d like to lmow _ 9 you 11 admit in our society that we a11 do go by titles and form of names now you lrnow Mx MURPHY ' s name you ImOW my name and we don t know your name and naturally we want {0 find out 9 and I m sure you don t have any doubts that we want to find out who you are you Icnew that before we sat down here with you 547 man , 18, 18, ================================================== Page 25 ================================================== 25 LA 56-156 IHD/ dac OFFICER : Don 1 t you thing we re curious about who you are ? SIRHAN I'm curious about what you re curious about OFFICER I'm merely curious about who you are and where your that 1 8 whats me curious SIRHAN Take it from the prints Really, with al1 the know S ledge we got in thi8 country you don 't know what my name is? JORDON No , ligken OFFICER : Well you can 't do it just like that , ic takes time, you know JORDON : Lot of places have to be checlced _ SIRHAN How do you mean? JORDON Well STRHAN Now you can t, you can t get out of this question, you committed yourself to answer it truthfully and honestly JORDON I will, but I'm not sure , I didn't understand your question that you asked me SIRHAN No , I didn 't a8l a question You said something that there is many things you have {o find out JORDON : Well, that's right we toolr your fingerprints , we checked you locally 80 we know that locally we have no record of you here_ 9 right you Ianow a8 far as Los Angeles 18 concerned at least none that has been ascer- tained a this point but to check nationally this 18 a large country even with modern electronic devices it tales a little while to do it 548 from, got no, it, ================================================== Page 26 ================================================== 26 LA 56-156 IHD/dac SIRHAN: Twenty million even more now JORDON : Probably more In the period of time we ve been tallring it'8 probably multiplied thougande of times OFFICER : Two hundred million people here but have got their prints _ JORDON Then we ' 11 have t0 check immigration, 80 many places , all these Federal agencies_ 9 and you Icnow how many Federal agencies there are and that in itself is a staggering figure right there STRHAN Well , a job '8 a job _ OFFICER : You see how ea8y you can cut through that red tape _ SIRHAN: How do you mean? OFFICER : Just by telling u8 who you are Right there cuts &ll kcinds of red tape SIRHAN If you must have a bowel movement excuse the topic, for the sake of discussion, if you must have a bowel movement , if I must have a bowel movement , 1f anyone must have a_ bowel movement he doesn t exorete where he 18 right then let uS say right here , you to to the toilet no, same here J you shouldn t want to find ouc who JOHN DOE jusc like that you got to walk and find the toilet , no? JORDON That 's the hard way to do it I thinlc I hls message He feels we should earn our money , earn our keep a8 investigators to justify our monej, right? 549 18, get ================================================== Page 27 ================================================== 27 LA 56-156 IHD/dac SIRHAN I paid a lot of yoU , I paid in my taxes I paid a lot of your wage8 , yours too _ JORDON That 8 right if you pay caxes you help pay our salary OFFICER : Olcay 9 men SIRHAN Yeah that why investigations you lcnow JORDON We !ve got a caxpayer here who want8 be be sharing his dollars with you, you can't fool with that SIRHAN IC'8 about time JORDON At least we want you to feel tha your share of the tax dollar that 7 8 going to enforcement in general 18 being well spent S IRHAN Well, how do you mean by enforcement? J ORDON Well police_ 2 District Attorney 18 Office, enforcing the-iaw We have certain laws and u job is to enforce ther _ The district attorney '8 job is to prosecute these if we have sufficient evidence and the Judieial of course either judges presides over the court and lets a jury decide either one You understand about you have court trials and jury triale 9 I mean you have your choice S IRHAN They call it speedy and 8low _ 9 ha JORDON Well, that '8 ore way of putting it I guess OFFICER Well, do you understand our system of justice 550 ================================================== Page 28 ================================================== 28 LA 56-156 IHD/&ac SIRHAN Hello FRANK how are you _ OFFICER Are you familiar with our system of justice How it operates? SIRHAN You re implying 8ome thing there OFFICER : I'm not _ SIRHAN sure, are you familiar with our system_ Ah, you obtracizing me OFFICER I'm not ostracizing you SIRHAN : Sure you are JORDON A11 right , if I say 9 what do you want me to say , our system does not include you &nd I_ SIRHAN No, I understood it, I thought hat I wa8 ostracized 9 outside your our OFFICER : I've ran acros8 lots of people with no doubt where they were born and raised in thi8 country who are not familiar with the waj Justice operates here SIRHAN Their tough luclc . OFFICER : The court system _ SIRHAN Their tough lucl _ 551 No , no , NO , why No , ================================================== Page 29 ================================================== 29 LA 56-156 IHD/dac OFFICER : I've had a lot of people say to me alright now_ say thetr 11 custody for some charge what 's going to happen nOW , what happens to me now You have to tell them, firbt of all we file a complaint 9 your arraigned_ then you 11 have a preliminary hearing, then you 11 be arraigned in Superior Court ) then you 11 have a trial in Superior Court_ and these are things a lot of people are not familiar with, and they aslc that question 2 lot of times , I've had that asled *0 me a lot of times , what 8 going to happen When do I go to court SIRHAN: Iet me ask you ihe same question What 8 going to happen? OFFICER : What 8 going to happen to you? You re going to be arraigned within the next or 80 in a Municipal Court charges will be read to Jou , that 8 when you '11 be asked 1s your true nane JOHN DOE which you 11 have to answer And a date will be set for your preliminary hearing, then you 1 11 be held xo answer for your pre ~ T liminary hearing, then you 11 be arraigned in Superior Court then within 60 days after your arraignment in Superior Court you ' ll be tried and the only other alternacive would be if the case was talren to the Grand Jury ana you were indicted then you wouldn t have a preliminary hearing After you were indicted by che Grand Jury you would be taken into Superior Court and arraigned on ihe indictment and then a trial date would be 8et in Superior Court: within 60: days There" may be a preliminary hearing, there ' might be an indictment from the Grand Jury , it depends on what the Distcrict Attorney decides to do SIRHAN That ' your job ha? 552 day ================================================== Page 30 ================================================== 32) LA 56-156 IHD/dac JORDON Not my job , I'm an investigator 8 IRHAN Yeah , but Jou Irnow your recommendation, etc _ JORDON Well, Mr HOWARD 18 recommendation he ' 8 a Deputy District Attorney_ 9 he might talre the case hinself 9 he may decide to talce it to the Grand Jury= 9 he may decide t0 file a complaint you either have an information or an indictment An information 13 a complaint_ an in- dictment 18 handed down by the Grand' Jury _ And, any time in these proceedings an individual can plead, if you plead guilty you cut down some of the time_ 9 if he chooses to plead not guilty than he goe8 through the regular routine and wind up in court , if you wind up in Superior Court then you get a choice of a ccurt trial or jury trial) it'9 again strictly up to you whatever you or your counsel decides_ And in al1 these proceedings you can have an attorney present SIRHAN Oh , i8 that? JORDON Because that 'g the way the law operates . You have to be represented counsel SIRHAN One cannot defend himself eh? That 8 part of our thing_ OFFICER : Pro per SIRHAN Pro per OFFICER : The court has to be satisfied in their own mind and 1n the judge8 mind that you are qualified to represent yourself pro per SIRHAN What i8 the doubt 553 why by big ================================================== Page 31 ================================================== SIRHAN (unintelligible) he defends hingelf before he finds his a ttorney and all that , because unintelligible) OFFICER : Oh , it happens every once in awhlle . CFFICER : What kind of a case was it? STRHAN : I don't know . OFFICER : There are very few that really defend themselves pro per Very few STRHAN : Why , is that ? I mean, ah.,. OFFICER : Ah, we just SIRHAN: I mean. KTRSCHKE defended hinself OFFICER : Well, KIRSCHKE was an attorney, though_ That 's a little bit different _ He 18 qualified to defend himself pr? per Be cause he ' 8 a lawyer by profession_ But the courts don't like to let an individual defend hinself pro: per be cause then it goe8 up on appeal after conviction, and then 3 lot of times it '8 reversed , sent ba ck for a new trial due to lack of defense , and it just means doing the same thing all over again. SIRHAN ; Tell me all that again. OFFICER : Well, you have to go through the whole trial al1 over again_ SIRHAN: If I defend myself , if the that's defended i8 pro per There I am OFFICER; You know, I think your.. You look at me with anticipation each time_ SIRHAN: I don with expectation. OFFICER : Expectation_ SIRHAN: dood , something good , OFFICER : OK, let me just have you this on for size how do you like this ? We { ve been through JESSTE 2 SIRHAN: Now are you through with me ? unintelligible) 554 why boy 't, No , Now , try ================================================== Page 32 ================================================== LA 56-156 OFFICER : no no _ Temporarily you 're stuck with that . We 1 ve been through JESSIE, been through JOHN , what about ROBERT GENE GENDROS or JENDROS ? SIRHAN : Hell, that '8 a good name JENDROS OFFICER : I think, I think we 're in paj-dirt now_ ROBERTO or BOB? SIRHAN : That '8 a nice name OFFICER: It'8 a nice name And, ah, your car SIRHAN: Cadillac? OFFICER : No _ SIRHAN : (Unintelligible) OFFICER; Not_ You re not far off You 're in the same general area How about a Chrysler? SIRHAN : Beautiful OFFICER: Beautiful Nothing wrong with a Chryeler_ OFFICER : What about 2921 Briar Knoll Drive ? SIRHAN: On the moon? OFFICER : Huh? SIRHAN : On the moon? OFFICER : Well, now you_ 9 you 're a taxpayer You pay a lot of and I'll agree if you live there , that you do pay a lot of taxes SIRHAN: Check me out _ OFFICER : So I, no I. SIRHAN: I challenge that OFFICER : I'm agreeing with this . 555 No , ================================================== Page 33 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN: Che ck me out OFFICER : Where i8 tha _ ANOTHER OFFICER : Ic '8 out off Mulholland SIRHAN : Where ' 8 Mulholland ? OFFICER : Come on now You Ive been real good up until I think your I m going to charge you with over-acting_ You guard ANOTHR OFFICER: La Gard ! 8 off of Mulholland? OFFICER : Yah, I, I'm not 8ure how how far out , ah, that is _ I know it'8 out Mulholland but that '8 about a8 far a8 I can go . I'm not sure if, ah, it'8 out this side of Beverly Hills up behina Hollywood or whether it'8 out , it'8 out further_ SIRHAN: They rea have a civic leader in his days _ Waen't it. OFFICER : Yeah_ Yeah. He '8 one of theold timer8 , that " 0 * & SIRHAN : Wh? start your water project ? Was it? really. OFFICER : Yeah, Father of Water SIRHAN: Tha t '8 right I read it one time in the gazette part Ii or the "Little Five or something Va whatever it i8_ OFFICER : This guy misses nothing, you know it_ I tell you_ I mean you have a barber to You would never miss anything You wouldn t have to worry about missing anything_ ANOTHER OFFICER : Did he hit the jackpot there ? SIRHAN : How you mean? OFFICER : Mr JENDROZ SIRHAN: Oh , Mr _ JENDROZ I thought you meant , you meant, I meant you you meant you were down there Implied or meant Mulholland instead of JEN JEN , JEN 9 wha t ? OFFICER: JENDROZ _ Now my pronunciation is undoubte- horrible 82 na turally. Your pronunciation was pretty good_ got lly No, help _ dly 556 ================================================== Page 34 ================================================== LA 56-156 ANOTHER OFFICER: It was pretty good_ SIRHAN : EN something maybe JESSTE JEN JEN JESSIE OFFICER : no , like I 8ay we had to things on for size, but ah ROBERT JEN _ SIRHAN: Right now there privileged_ OFFICER : JENDRO . That '8 true , there ' € I'll have to admit we evened the 8 core while We were there Is there anybody up at that address that wa8 going to be disturbed ? SIRHAN : Roommate_ (Unintelligible) Somebody ' 8 up there Sure What about OFFICER : This 58 Chrysler, BOB? Do you know anything about a p SIRHAN : unintelligible) just gave me a new name ? OFFICER : Well, I'm sorry , I, ROBERT L BOB is a short for ROBERT ROBERTO--is that it ? SIRHAN: I thought we were going by unintelligible) OFFICER : I (unintelligible) SIRHAN: JOHN , then we changed it to (unintelligible) OFFICER: We tried JESSIE _ You don't like JESSIE , 82 now We 1 re going t? ROBERT for awhile and that seens awful formal a8 well a8 we know each other by now , I thought I could cut that to BOB _ SIRHAN: Sure But; OFFICER : Without being presumptuous STRHAN : That '& my new name 9 fine OFFICER : Well, if you were named ROBERT 9 would you mind if I called you BOB? STRHAN: Not the least bit 557 . No, try No, N?, try ================================================== Page 35 ================================================== IA 56-156 ANOTHER OFFICER : Do you drive a 58 car, 8ir? SIRHAN Do I drive one ? I can drive any car you want to me in_ ANOTHER OFFICER : Do you drive a 58 Chrysler? SIRHAN : How you mean? ANOTHER OFFICER : Do you have acce88 to a '58 Chrysler? SIRHAN : Well, I could have that for any car I want , really. OFFICER : Have you driven one , let'9 say in the last 12 hours ? SIRHAN: That make of a car? I don't really know, I don't remember I don't know 933FCERbeer?vebe Jou ve be_ irGuEExthfulBg %ecSxaigte}Bigtklag- now because SIRHAN: (Unintelligible) SIRHAN : I'll swear I don't remember OFFICER : He just don't remember . SIRHAN: Whatever I got . OFFICER : Tha t you don't remember you don t know OFFICER : OK , Icause he ' s been very truthful he can he won't answer me if he doesn't like the question he won t answer 9 but he 9 truthful when he does answer. Yeah, I'll say that _ Starting to come in a little bit_ SIRHAN : Wonderful Beginning to unfold now , huh? OFFICER : Oh, listen, JOE , the ce8 are starting to fit together. ANOTHER OFFICER : Right _ OFFICER: Did you ever work a jigsaw puzzle? BOB? 558 5 put pie- ================================================== Page 36 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN : You know that always puzzled Mr JORDAN A puzzle_ 9 really 9 jigsaw puzzle , if I can't do it fast enough, you know_ if I can t grasp the whole picture_ J ah, after awhile of trying, to match it, I give up OFFICER : But you understand the philosophy? ANOTHER OFFICER: Well, yeah, that '8 right . SIRHAN : Well, depends OFFICER : Never make it. SIRHAN: I could always read a good mystery story_ OFFICER: don't work the way they write those books ANOTHER OFFICER It sounds like fun that way . But you unintelligible) OFFICER : Watch it on television_ They solve these cases in a half hour SIRHAN: Huh? OFFICER : They solve these cases on television in a half hour _ You can't quite do it. SIRHAN : Well_ re a man that ha8 the experience to uninte llje1biefou OFFICER: Look at how many hours We been trying to find out Who the hell you are ? SIRHAN: Who the hell am I? ANOTHER OFFICER : Well, we Ire not sure But at this point we re SIRHAN: ROBERTO JORDAN? OFFICER: We re going to call you Mr JENDROZ _ 559 me , ah, They ================================================== Page 37 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN : Are you going co (unintelligible) Am I going to be your adopted you mean? ANOTHER OFFICER: Hell, I may have to adopt you, to a name with you, here , if I desperate enough_ SIRHAN: You re a hell of 3 man, sir. ANOTHER OFFICER: Well if We haven 't ID'ed you, ROBERT _ 9 then there '8 a go2d chance there could be a mixup here at least one thing I'm fairly sure of now is that you were driving a 58 Chrysler tonight I have a little more than just speculation there If Jou say that you don't know the make SIRHAN : Where the place I going? When you say something, ba ck up ANOTHR OFFICER : Well, in this case there 's no secret, I'm not giving away any 8ecret , you had the key to the car STRHAN : Go on. (So what) Put it that waj . Fine ANOTHER OFFICER : Well, now you ask me , I (unintelligible) SIRHAN: You have any keys to a car? OFFICER: To my car ANOTHER OFFICER: These were keys {o a particular car_ SIRHAN : Now I agree . Every keys to a particular lock ANOTHER OFFICER : That '8 right . So chat's why I've been asking you and why Mr MURPHY 8 been asking you about a 1 58 Chrysler_ Now you stole_ SIRHAN: Ah. .ah ah _ aah ANOTHER OFFICER : I was going to say you, you still don 't remember what STRHAN : Do you say , oh, you used the wrong vowel the first time OFFICER : You sound like you said stoled ? 560 eon, put get big N? , ================================================== Page 38 ================================================== LA 56-156 ANOTHER OFFICER : n?, I, I SIRHAN : You re a good investigator_ 9 Mr? MURPHY ANOTHER OFFICER : Well_ 9 you re both investigators , but if it came put that wajy 9 you were jumping the gun Stple ha dn't entered my mind at al1 until it wa 8 juet brought up My stacement was merely that you still don" % remember the kind of car you were driving_ If you say you don 't, I believe you_ SIRHAN: Well really, I think my first , my original stand in regard to that question_ ANOTHER OFFICER : OK_ SIRHAN: That being a particular question_ ANOTHR OFFICER : OK, That'8 fair E nough_ OFFICER : We 're getting closer 9 though, aren't Huh? SIRHAN: That !s a good deduction? That 's a good deduction_ SIRHAN How did you Irnow I had a 58 Chrysler? The keys ? Beautiful ANOTHER OFFICER : Well, now , listen, you 're a taxpayer Now wouldn t you be disappointed if We didnlt come up a little bit for you SIRHAN: Sure J sure Right down the line ANOTHER OFFICER: It'8 like Mr MURPHY ' s telling you. we [ re 8low but SIRHAN: Slowly, but surely, driving me ANOTHER OFFICER : But we there _ SIRHAN : You there ANOTHR OFFICER: 1 wish we could do it as he said on television, although we 'd never a sponsor 561 N?, good we ? get get get ================================================== Page 39 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN 0 You juet can't stay in shit like that and leave it You to g? where it belonge you know you to leave it where it belongs_ 9 not in the wrong piace_ No? So do I, too. ANOTHER OFFICER : Amen_ I'll agree with you _ ANOTHER OFFICER : Wha t about Mr CHAVEZ? That name mean anything to you ? SIRHAN: CHAVEZ? Nice sounding name ANOTHER OFFICER : I agree . SIRHAN: I bet he really likes hiz name ANOTHER OFFICER: He probably does ANOTHER OFFICER : To pinpoint it a little 9 Mr CHAVEZ _ Did you read by any chance about the 8trikes up in Delano and 83 forth where they were , I believe ; I'm not that faniliar with it. OFFICER : Farm workers _ ANOTHER OFFICER : Underpaying the farm workers The Mr CHAVEZ I'n referring to i8 active in that area If you read a bout the incident , Quitdusceiveing to give you a point of reference on it_ OFFICER : CAESAR CHAVEZ . STRHAN : Man, that 's a good name ANOTHER OFFICER: You like CAESAR, too. SIRHAN : Yeah. ANOTHER OFFICER : I knew you would_ SIRHAN: Everyone '8 name i8 beautifully sounding to me ANOTHER OFFICER: Oh, I don t kniow think_ 0 .Some names are 0 SIRHAN Don 't you like JORDAN, really? How were you named JORDAN? If I may be personal nough to ask? 562 got got ================================================== Page 40 ================================================== LA 56-156 ANOTHER OFFICER: That '8 my last name, that '8 my family 1 8 name I didn t have any choice I didn't pick it out . They brought me inco the world, slapped me on the behind and said you are now a JORDAN That '8 right _ So I didn't have any You didn t have any choice SIRHAN: I guess not ANOTHER OFFICER: I guess if you now Some people legally change their name: So then you could say you had a choice SIRHAN: Have you ever done that , Mr _ MURPHY? OFFICER : Wha t ? SIRHAN: Legally , change your name ? OFFICER: Not I've to change the name MURPHY? ANOTHER OFFICER : You must not know Irishmen OFFICER: You Inow, there 's only two kinds of people _ in the world the Irish, and those that wish they were_ SIRHAN: Whew . OFFICER: Huh? SIRHAN: If I wished I were, what kind of a pereon would 1 be ? OFFICER: You' d have a lot of class . SIRHAN: Beautiful There gpes al1 the people that wished they were 18 the dog8 9 then? OFFICER: Yeah_ You re just unfortunate SIRHAN: I like your (unintelligible) OFFICER: Is your ankle bothering SIRHAN: Very much 8O _ OFFICER : Is it? 563 No, got me , you? ================================================== Page 41 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN : Really_ OFFICER: They're going to take some X-rays a3 soon a8 the facility i8 open_ ANOTHER OFFICER: It'8 swelling up there now_ SIRHAN : Oh, yeah. ANOTHER OFFICER : You 'd never believe this 9 but I've had a few of those playing foocball, and are painful. SIRHAN: You re not kidding. ANOTHER OFFICER : Very painful OFFICER : Your knee hurt 9 too? OFFICER: Is that popped up ? Pull up your pants _ SIRHAN: I it_ ANOTHER OFFICER: You probably wrenched it. SIRHAN : Probably . ANOTHER OFFICER : A twist , and the ligaments are SIRHAN: What is that looking glass there ANOTHER OFFICER : N?, there 18 a ce for that : but there '8 nobody there a8 far a8 I know I mean after ali, wha t '8 there to gain? SIRHAN : Well, if there wa8 nothing to gain, why would you have it then? ANOTHR OFFICER : Well Im not saying it isn't used periodically_ I'm just t8i1f"g you right now there '8 0 0 to my knowledge , there '8 nobody out there 9 because I m 8ure we 'd know about it if there was It i8 used for that , though; I mean_ Now_ J when you walked over there to look at yourself in the mirror_ 3 now you wa lked over there to examine the mirror 564 , 7 they got pla ================================================== Page 42 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN No frankly I rea .it was the first time I've seen these contusions ANOTHER OFFICER : I see. Would you like to tall about the car? SIRHAN: I'll talk about any car ANOTHER OFFICER : Well, I' m... would you care to talk about the 58 Chrysler? SIRHAN Shoot ANOTHER OFFICER Well , whose car is it? SIRHAN Somebody' 8 , I guess You know , s ome body must own a 58 Chrysler around here Somebody owns ANOTHER OFFICER : I' m sure they do _ You don 't want to tell me what you know a bout it Just say no . I'i not going to pressure you SIRHAN I honestly don t know anything about a 58 Chrysler , or any Chrysler_ And you nay think me a liar ANOTHER OFFICER if you say you don ' t lznow about a 58 Chrysler Irnow how sharply you define , I be lieve you SIRHAN it'8 not how sharply I define , being investiga tors you have to be sharp , to the you have to find everything sharp todaj_ You can't just a ss ume things and rough edge everything_ You Iznow ? You to clear cut No ? ANOTHER OFFICER : Ha ve you . driven any car within the last twelve hours ? SIRHAN Well, you repeated a guestion S 0 I refuse to answer ANOTHER OFFICER Inm sorry you did refuse to answer and I apologize I'm not trying to force those down you You did refuse S0 strike the question_ How ' s that? 7'565 1ly. , . Oh , No , ing No 5 get got ================================================== Page 43 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN How S the court say , just 8ay . ' . ? OFFICER : Word is stricken S IRHAN Stricken Right _ Stricken ANOTHER OFFICER Wha t about this eddress Briar Knoll Drive ? Do you know anybody who lives on Briar Knoll Drive ? SIRHAN Somebody does ANOTHER OFFICER : Well 5 nOw OFFICER Does anybody there know you ? SIRHAN Possibly . I don ' t really know OFFICER : If some body went up there at 5:30 in the morning_ 9 would they disturb anybody that was close to you? SIRHAN If whoever was close to me was there OFFICER : Or would you rather we waited till about 8 :00 in the morning (delayed ) ? SIRHAN Go any time you Wish, sir. OFFICER Go any time you Wish, sir. You ha ve the authority ANOTHER OFFICER Well 9 we don 't want to a buse that 5 just cause you have authority , you don ' t want to abuse it SIRHAN but it' 8 often done OFFICER : Go wa ke up s omebody at 5:30 in the morning, when we could wait until 7;00 when they got up ? S IRHAN Well , that i8 your prerogative you Irnow Wha tever 18 more convenient , to both people , to both "parties ANOTHER OFFICER Well, we don 't inow what'8 convenient to the other party , that 1 s why we re asking you "566 7 Oh , ================================================== Page 44 ================================================== LA 56-156 OFFICER Tha t '8 why we re asking you _ We ' & like to do wha t'8 convenient for you S IRHAN Well. You 're very humble , or a t least you the impression of being humble OFFICER Well , we re not mad at you SIRHAN Neither am I ma d a t you _ OFFICER Okay _ ANOTHER OFFICER : We Ire not 0 6 listen. 0 0 for she moment ROBERT 9 BOB SIRHAN JESSIE or JOHN? ANOTHER OFFICER No we '11 this for a while SIRHAN Fine , fine ANOTHER OFFICER You know , yo1 InOw Like the by-man , we feel our way along slow SIRHAN Right 5 right ANOTHER OFFICER : wha tever else we do _ we re not trying to trick you_ I mean, you we a *e policemen you a re in here a8 a suspect and we are attempting to information from you I mean , you lznow that , and we IcnOw that , we re not trying to_ any subterfuge _ SIRHAN Tha t' 8 right ANOTHER OFFICER : Right , I mean , we re laying our cards on the table as we get thei - SIRHAN As you them Wonder if you usua it! ANOTHER OFFICER : Little pJ little SIRHAN Right 9 right 567 give No , try NO , get get 1ly put ================================================== Page 45 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN: Like the Chinese say , when you ve got a rock on and Jou want to have it erode you lrnow you can run a strean of wa ter on it and it erodes faster but if you just trickles drop by drop eventually it Will melt or erode or 8 one thing. ANOTHER OFFICER Tha t is supposed to be one of the most famous torture of al1 times SIRHAN I thought Confuscious say , of his own on OFFICER : SIRHAN Oh hell drummer s school book will tell you ANOTHER OFFICER Possibly 80 , but I dare say if we lined up one hundred thousand people out here , 1f we were capable 0f it , we wouldn t find too many that would remember SIRHIAN Oh hell, your giving ne too much credit ANOTHER OFFICER I don 't give you too much credit But there is one thing we do _ It 1s talk to a lot of people 5 nOw You give us the benefit of the doubt there Tha t Te tall to a lot of people _ SIRHAN Well, right , I have to take ANOTHER OFFICER in a career. Mine Short , like fifteen year8 SIRHAN: This thing here is bothering me this insula tion ANOTHER OFFICER: Air conditioning? SIRHAN Wha tever it is OFFICER : Sit over here . ANOTHER OFFICER : What ' 8 it drafty? OFFICER : Yeah Oh yeah _ big opini Any No , Say 568 ================================================== Page 46 ================================================== LA 56-156 STRHAN By your men ANOTHER OFFICER Well_ 0 9 very good BOB _ Prior to your mee ting With him, have you been examined by a doctor or say in the last three to 8ix months ? STRHAN I don 't really IinOW I never had the occasion to_ I don t , well what would you want to g0 to a doctor for? ANOTHER OFFICER no I don 1 t know , I am not saying you had to g0 > I jus t was curious if you ha ve been examined Usually you know they talze your 9 they measure you 5 take your weight and stufi like tha t and thought if you had been exa mined; it might refresh your memory , as to what yol weighed _ SIRHAN Oh_ 9 I'd_maybe sajy rough _ majybe 120_ You know You estima ted 107 9 107 9r 117. ANOTHER OFFICER : I would like to fib and say 117 , but I said 107 STRHAN Maybe ANOTHER OFFICER You lookz like you have lost , have you lost any weight recently > I mean recently? SIRHAN Really _ Maybe you IznOW it fluctuates _ ANOTHER OFFICER Yeah, I g0 through this' 9 I g0 up and I come down SIRHAN Mr MURPHY tool a strong dose of accent (phonetic) . ANOTHER OFFICER : Careful now S IRHAN No offense I mean that in good jester_ 3 no kidding_ If he would loose four or five pounds 5 or six or seven ANOTHER OFFICER You IcnOW s ome people could say the implication wa8 that M MURPHY might ha ve a over , be overly supplied With defecation, or s one thing, you Inow 569 No , they , No , ================================================== Page 47 ================================================== LA 56-156 ANOTHER OFFICER : Another thing we ha ven 't done well by yOU , I'll have to admit 9 our tailor hasn t done justice to you _ Tha t is not your size I'l1 g0 for that OFFICER They don 't ha ve tailored clothes around here any more because don t have any trustees any more do they? ANOTHER OFFICER : But he he has a ridiculously sina 11 waist OFFICER Yeah ANOTHER OFFICER : And I don t think have seen anybody. SIRHAN Really? ANOTHER OFFICER : Yeeh keep Tney stick pretty liluch to the norm, the a verage 9 you know don 't OFFICER Wha t do weigh ? Around 120? ANOTHER OFFICER : Hej_ 9 now I made 3 guess We were al1 guessing your weight out there and now I said 107 . Who was the closest ? SIRHAN You were the least and the boys in your room estimate 150 ANOTHER OFFICER 150, SIRHAN: It could be any . because I hones don t knOw exactly_ ANOTHER OFFICER : Well, I I'm sure it is not 150. SIRHAN I a1 sure of that myself 9 too. I don 't feel 150, But exac how much ANOTHER OFFICER You really don t know SIRHAN To the net pound 5 I don t IrnOW ANOTHER OFFICER Ha ve you been examined by a doctor recently a t a11_ 570 they does , got they They they you tly tly ================================================== Page 48 ================================================== LA 56-156 SIRHAN well whatever it is that got really _ I a m open I explained that and he canl take it whichever way he wants or however way you want I expressed it and I meant it in good faith_ You know I mean I don 't I-now. how he would respond to it ANOTHER OFFICER : MERV &nd I are both used to things &bout weight Neither one of uS too excited a bout that _ OFFICER : You sure you re not hungry? SIRHAN thank you = OFFICER : We had better make that clea r now > that you re not hungry _ STRHAN You want to dissect my guts ? ANOTHER OFFICER : we jus t want to be sure that , tha t if , like I told you _ OFFICER For the record _ If Jol have been offered food SIRHAN I'l1 never deny that , I'll never deny that. ANOTHER OFFICER : And I was going to say , if you were hungry , but you were fearful of food 9 I would be to. SIRHAN No,no. Please don 't misunders tand ne ANOTHER OFFICER : Okay_ SIRHAN If I were hungry , I would holler ANOTHER OFFICER Do you know anybody named ROBERT GENE KENDROSE , KENROSE whatever? SIRFAN ROBERT , I know ROBERT 9 maybe JAMES _ I did not g0 to school with any JAMES 17 571 No , get NO , No > no , glad ================================================== Page 49 ================================================== LA 56-156 ANOTHER OFFICER Well specifically, do those three names together ring a bell with you a8 anybody yoU IrnOw or have met ? SIRHAN I honestly don ' % In2OW , think S0 . I might meet him in the future 5 I might never , you know Or I might ha ve met him, you InOW , but forgot the mee ANOTHER OFFICER I doubt if you have forgot too many mee tings in your life SIRHAN: Now why do you say that? ANOTHER OFFICER : Just because you don ' t strike me a8 the kind of person that forgets STRHAN: Well, I don 't forget_ OFFICER No Jour nok {00 forgetful SIRHAN Why? OFFICER Because you re too intelligent _ ANOTHER OFFICER : Now , don don 't us modesty nOW SIRHAN You going to give a psychology tes% o1 test OFFICER : We don t ha ve to. SIRHAN You don't ha ve to. good _ OFFICER We don t ha ve to _ Now yol to g0 along with us and give Us a little credit. Like I say we {alk to a lot 0f people SIRHAN I, you re extending a lot of credit , but really the credit , the guy that , you know , I'm not asking fox ANOTHER OFFICER I lnow you re not asking for it $ you re getting it because your responses That ' s the only reason you re peing, if I thought you were a dumb bell by this stage of the game I'd probably told you I thought you were a dumb bel1 That 8 my big problem_ I a big mouth and I, I say things sometimes 572 ting. 'b , give o1 , ' Oh , got No , got ================================================== Page 50 ================================================== LA 56-156 1 shouldn but 9 but I don 't , you' re not I think you 0f all people would appreciate this You re a challenge 9 invigorating, you make the job interesting If you re 0 0 SIRHAN Male you worl- a little bit , huh? ANOHER OFFICER Right 5 no that' s good , now I don t Irnow wha t your field of endea vor is but I am sure just the little bit that I have talked to you tha t s ome thing that just comes in and fallg in your lap, Jou krnow you can tale it or leave it a lone 5 but something Jou ha ve C0 worl: for that'8 challenging, it' s interesting to you_ I think 1'm right SIRHAN Well, it's you lrnOw , like I said if you re going to work puzzled , it'8 going to take yo1 a long time and yoL IrnOW , this one ANOTHER OFFICER Well 5 now see , there 1s where we differ SIRHAN They sa y I contradict myself , but that '8 myself ANOTHER OFFICER : n0 , Tha t ' s right 9 Te ' re 811 there Tha t S what males the world g0 round Your 9 we are al1 similar in s ome a reas We re dissinilar in others Tha t ' s fortunately it that way For uS we have to enjoy putting the puzzle together Each iittie Diece a$ it goes into Place you have to a little feeling of satisfaction_ 9 and after &ll, reelly that '8 al1 this job i8 If you ever stop to ana lyze it I krnow people view uS as various , you InOw , the fuzz , the police_ 9 the cop , and a11 that. SIRHAN : Super fuzz _ ANOTHER OFFICER : Super fuzz_ 3 thank you- But you know what we are? We ' re a bunch of mechanics We try to tale facts that are presented to us and fit then into the right little spot . I'm not carrying anjthing _ in a way we are sort of a mechanic , too= Lile you might say , we paid for doing kids games 9 cause We re trying to put puzzles together_ And you re a good puzzle It falling into place_ 9 but you ' re 2 good puzzle _ 573 1 , a , No , get So , got 18

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