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================================================== Page 1 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 6/13/68 Date GEORGE STONER , Chief Bureau of Investigation, Los Angeles County District Attorney' 8 Office_ 3 furnished the following results of interview of VINCENT DE PIERRO, Which was conducted by Sergeant F J PA TCHETT, Rampart Division, Los Angeles Police Department, on June 10, According to STONER , this interview wa 8 placed on video tape and the results were obtained from the audio portion of this tape PATCHETT: I'm Sergeant PA TCHETT , Rampart Detectivee , The purpos e of this meeting here 18 to have a witnees in the KENNEDY shooting, namely VINCENT DE PIERRO , take a look at 8 Ore of thes e dresses here as a possibility of a dress being worn a female suspect, possibly present at the time of the shooting The people here in the roon at this time are JOHN HOWARD , from the District Attorney' 8 Office_ 9 JOSEPH GOODMAN , from Rampart Detectives 9 FRED EAST and CARMEN BALLANTINE _ 9 from the District Attorney ' s Office Sound ana FRED STONER , from the District Attorney I 8 Office To begin with, VINCENT , let's take each dress one at a time I'd like you to wa lk up t0 the dress and teil ne in your own words how this drees 18 the same or different than the dress that wa: Iorn by the Woman who saw standing nert to the euspect just prior to the shooting You Want to 8 tart with that first one right up there? VINCENT : It' 8 got , not that because 1t'8, they are not polla dots 9 they are s quares , they are not even as 28 the, they are not the right kind PA TCHETT: How about the color involved ? VINCENT : The color i8 the same color but the polka dots not the, could not be the same color PA TCHETT: How about the sleeve th? 6/12/68 Los Angeles , California Los Angeles 56-156 On at File # SA RICHARD C BURRLS/clp 6/13/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclu505 of the FBI: It is the property of the FBI and i8 loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outgide your agency. 1968 by Iab , you big leng ================================================== Page 2 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 VINCENT: Sleeve length is too long and the collar is not the same way at all; completely different PATCHETT : What '8 different about the collar? VINCENT : The collar was not SO high. It was more of a lower based cut out _ PATCHETT: How about the bow ? VINCENT : The bow had, there was no bow at the top _ PATCHETT : How about the cut of the dress ? That being an A type cut as opposed to it being tailored VINCENT : it was more form fitting on the than the I PATCHETT : Alright , then let' s g0 to the next dress _ VINCENT : This is not the dress at al1 For there is no polka dots , sleeve length is far too 1ong, and onehe collar is not at a11 like the dress PATCHETT : Fine , let's go to this next one here. VINCENT The same color of the dress , color and polka dots near the same color MAN : Excuse me. How about the size of the polka dots? VINCENT : The size 18 too small completely too small, they are much small even than , the sieeve length 18 als0 again too long and the front, the collar is somewhat like this except that it'8 not as high &gein this is a little too high and it had no frills on it at al1 PATCHETT : Alright VINCENT , let ' s g0 to the fourth dress here . VINCENT : This is the same color in fact; the same size polka dots about the same size. I wouid say they are the same size I saw 526 No , girl "A ================================================== Page 3 ================================================== 3 LA 56-156 PATCHETT : Would you desczibe that as a nedium size polka dot , as opposed to the other one being a small one? VINCENT : I would say this is a medium size. PATCHETT: Alright how about the cut 0f that dress? VINCENT The cut is more like, this is more like because it is tapered in, like I say , it was form fitting, more tight around the waist PATCHETT : How about the collar? VINCENT: The collar is again too high and it had no white in front and it had, on the sleeve , the sleeve length is about the sale_ PATCHETT: It' 6 a very very short sleeve _ VINCENT : Very short sleeve , like this PATCHETT : Let g0 then to the fifth dress _ VINCENT : This again is not , the pattern is pretty good but the sleeves there is no sleeves in this case, and it's not the dress that I saw PATCHETT : Alright , let's g0 to this one then, the sixth dress _ VINCENT Again, it's not the dress _ Couldn't the frills, the collar on this i8 on this is up to the neck, which I thought it came down t3 here The collar actually came down to about here, about the middle, here _ PATCHETT : What you re saying then is the neck would be exposed and_ VINCENT : The neck would be exposed , in this case it's not exposed. Right? PATCHETT : Was there a bOT ? 527 Yes , 19 are, be , ================================================== Page 4 ================================================== LA 56-156 VINCENT there was no bow _ PATCHETT: How about the sleeve length involved here? VINCENT : the sleeves here aren I mean, not the same length_ PATCHETT : Let me exchange places with you and g0 to this one , number seven VINCENT: the collar on this is similar to the dress the girl was wearing, except a8 I say it came down more to where the end of this bOw would it came down to about here. PATCHETT : Alright _ VINCENT : And the sleeve length 1s the same but the polka dots are mixed colors It'8 not PATCHETT : How about the size of your dots ? VINCENT : The size again _ It's just under the size of the _ PATCHETT : A little bit smaller. VINCENT : Yeah, a little bit smaller. PATCHETT : How about the top of this garment here? VINCENT: Which one? PATCHETT : That one there. VINCENT : this 18 more like a tiger or some thing else, not it at al1_ PATCHETT : Any possibility that the print on that one and the print on this one here which 18 number could have been mistaken for polka dots? 528 No , 't, No , No , be , they No , S $ ================================================== Page 5 ================================================== 55 GA 56-156 VINCENT : not LJC 1 saw the print distinctly , thie wasn 't it at al1_ PATCHETT: Olcay 9 thank you very: much for this statement (Pause) PATCHETT : VINCENT I'd like you to take the dresses down off the wall that you feel resemble most nearly the one that was on the woman that you saw that evening- That 8 number four Jou have there,: right? VINCENT : Yes , six. PATCHETT: Can you hold that up to the camera 80 they can 8 shot of it? VINCENT : Yes , as I said before . It'g the same type of polka dots and the collar was more like on the reverse side , except it came down to about the middle here exposing part of the girl ' 8 neck PATCHETT: It would be a wider collar? VINCENT : It would be a wider collar. PATCHETT : Were there polla dots on the collar? VINCENT : there were polka dots on the collar_ PATCHETT : Alright 9 fine _ Why don 't you just lay that dress down and take the next one off the wall that in your mind comes closest to being that that the woman was wearing. This then is number_ VINCENT : Seven. PATCHETT : Seven_ Correct _ VINCENT : This again, is the collar 9 basically like this but it was solid Zike I have shown you in this dress here _ 529 No , get good Yee , one, ================================================== Page 6 ================================================== LA 56-156 PATCHETT : Right - VINCET : It came down to about where the end of the bow is risht about the center here_ It came down to about there and a curie curve PATCEZIT: Let'8 discuss a couple of things here The size 0f tka polka dots between the two dresses , which one would be moat; nearly correct VINCZNT : The first dress 9 number four. PATCEEIT: How about the sleeve Length? VINCENT : Sleeve length- I believe they are the same but I would say more like this one because I would say more of the 3 rm would be exposed than this PATCHETT: Alright. One final question. VINCE , how much of this w onan were you able to see that evening? VINCENT Approximately , just to about the knee, that's as far as I could see PATCHETT You could See her from the krnee up= VINCENT : the krnee up PATCHETT : And she was wearing a dress rather than a polka dot blouse and a different colored skirt VINCENT : Yes , 8ir. PATCHETT : The length 0f the dress in relation to her knee, mini dress or what? VINCENT : it was about , I would say , possibly an inch; maybe two inches above the knee 9 but not a mini. PATCHETT : Alright. (Pause) VINCENT have you evejr seen these dresses before today 9 before thi8 meeting? 530 Up , No , ================================================== Page 7 ================================================== LA 56-156 VINCENT : No 8ir, I haven t. PATCHETT : Has anybody discussed this with you before this meeting? VINCENT : they haven 't PATCHETT: Outside of the fact that the night of the shooting, you and I did have a conversation and you did describe the dress to me 18 that correct? VINCEWT: Yes sir, I did_ PATCHETT : Alright , thank you very much (Pause) PATCHETT : This interview' & taken place in the Oval Room at the Ambaggador Hotel, and it is Room D like in DAVID in the Oval Room, the date is June the lOth, 1968 9 and the time 2:25 p . m 531 No , ================================================== Page 8 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 6/13/68 Date GEORGE STONER, Chief , Bureau of Investigation, Loe Angeles County District Attorney 1 8 Office, made available the follow resulte of interview of SA NDRA SERRANO conducted by Sergeant F D PA TCHETT , Ranpart Division, Los Angeles Police Department, on June 10, 1968 STONER stated this interview was placed on video tape and the interview was obtained from the audio portion of this tape PATCHETT : A11 right SANDRA Will you 8it, you don' t have to sit in the poeition you were in on the night, do you mind sitting on this step here that you were On the night that you believe that? SANDRA : You mean on this step? PATCHETT: On this step here SANDRA : This one or this one ? PA TCHETT: would you mind just sitting on it now just to show steps 80 there Won't be any question. SANDRA : It'8 dirty. PA TCHETT : Oh well All right you don't ha ve but at rate, it was this step here, is that right? SANDRA : One of these twO _ PATCHETT : About what time of the nigil nOW , do you believe it was that you first came out and sa t on the step? SANDRA I believe it wa 8 about 11:30, 11:35, in between that time, sometime PA TCHETT : how long had you been seated here before 8 Omeone came by and asked to be excug ed 8 0 they could by ? 6/12/68 Los Angelee , California Los Angeles 56-156 On at File # by SA RICHARD C BURRIS/ clp Date dictated 6/13/68 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusipg the FBL: It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ing Okay , to, any Okay , get @f ================================================== Page 9 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 SANDRA : I don t krnow I don t remember_ PATCHETT : You had been here a short time maybe? SANDRA : Yeah, 2 short time _ PATCHETT : Alright , now , as these people came, they were coming up the steps , 18 that right? SANDRA : Right - PATCHETT And did you see where they came from? SANDRA : I don 't remember PATCHETT : Sitting in this position here, did you see anybody coming up these steps just before they came up ? SANDRA : I don't renember because I was just thinking, just sitting and just thinking and I knew somebody came up _ PATCHETT : Alright _ Then as came up the steps , who was ahead ? SANDRA : A girl_ PATCHETT : And behind her was two men? SANDRA : Right . PATCHETT And could you describe the clothing the girl had on? SANDRA She had a white dress , A-line, polka dot, bib coller, and bow on it. PATCHETT And this was the one with the three quarter length sleeves ? SANDRA : Pardon. PATCHETT : Three quarter length sleeves ? 533 only No , they ================================================== Page 10 ================================================== 3 LA 56-156 SANDRA : Right - PATCHETT And this was 8 imilar to the one Jou described to us earlier in the room that we were here before in? SANDRA : Right - PATCHETT : Alright , she said "excuse me SANDRA : Please- PATCHETT Did she say me or us ? SANDRA : She said excuse me please _ PATCHETT Okay , you then pulled your feet back and then all three of thera proceeded on up the stairs? SANDRA : Right PATCHETT : And you didn 't watch to see where went? SANDRA : No _ PATCHETT : Alright 2 now , about how much longer after you permitted them to pags yo1 and g0 on up the stairs , was it that you heard some kind of sounds that you told 48 sounded like backfire? SANDRA : It sounded lile backfire of a car and Ilve never heard a gun , S0 I don't know what a gun sounds like_ PATCHETT: Alright_ 2 you heard these sounds that were kind of like backfire SANDRA Thirty minutes about _ PATCHETT : Alright _ And then about how much longer after you heard these 8ounds was it that someone else came SANDRA : Thirty seconds > to a minute . 534 "2 they by . ================================================== Page 11 ================================================== LA 56-156 PATCHETT : Between half a rinute Eo a minute? SANDRA Right - PATCHETT : And who was it that came back down the stairs? SANDRA : The and a guy . PATCHETT : The girl and a man? SANDRA : I'd say a guy , wouldn t say a man _ PATCHETT: The girl was the same girl that you saw go up? SANDRA : Previously. PATCHETT : And was the inan one of the ien Jou had seen previously? SANDRA : it was . PATCHETT: Can you describe the man that came down the stairs ? SANDRA : He was shorter than the girl was looked of latin, Mexican-American background 2 he had dark hair, he had a gold sweater On , light shirt , dark pants _ PATCHETT : And did Jou recognize or notice hig type of clothing when he first came up the stairs? SANDRA : Yes , I did_ PATCHETT : What about the other the. third person , that would be the second man who went up the stairs , did you notice him? SANDRA : I did_ PATCHETT : And what was his description_ 535 girl Well, Yes , one , Yes , ================================================== Page 12 ================================================== 5 LA 56-156 M M SANDRA : He had curly hair_ 9 he was sort of seedy and borocho looking to ne. PATCHETT: By seedy_ ) you mean perhaps not a8 neat a8 the others ? SANDRA : That'8 right . He had light clothing on that seemed to be wrinkled_ PATCHETT : Did you at some later time see SOineone who looked like this same man , the second the third person? SANDRA The next in the paper I see S Omeone who looked like hin to me and I thought it looked like hin to at no other time had I seen anybody else, a lot of them look alike_ PATCHETT This person that you saw in the paper was SIRHAN? SANDRA : Yes it was - PATCHETT : Alright - As the man and the lady came down the stairs , you heard the lady make s ore unusual comment , i8 that right? SANDRA : Correct PATCHETT : And where was she, to your recollection, when she made that statement? SANDRA On possibly getting on the landing 9 around that area PATCHETT : Just about to to this landing? SANDRA Around that area Right . PATCHETT What was it that she said? M SANDRA : She said, "we shot we shot him PATCHETT ; She said it twice? man, day ie , the , get him, 535 ================================================== Page 13 ================================================== LA 56-156 SANDRA : Right - PATCHETT : And did she make any expression with her hands or her face when she said that? SANDRA : she did _ PATCHETT : Could you describe that as best you could? SANDRA : She said , shot , we shot hin PATCHETT : And what was the look that she had on her face when she said that? SANDRA What do you mean what was the look? It was just a truthful look_ PATCHETT : And did you reply to her comient ? SANDRA : Yes , I did. PATCHETT: What did you say? SANDRA : I said, did you shoot?" PATCHETT You said the whole sentence, did you shoot? And did she reply? I SANDRA "Senator KENNEDY PATCHETT : Did the man say anything? SANDRA : he did not PATCHETT : After she said that , did you have to make clearance for them to pass ? SANDRA : I did. PATCHETT: What did you do? 537 Yes , "we "who "who "? No, Yes , ================================================== Page 14 ================================================== LA 56-156 SANDRA : She was seying this in motion PATCHETT : As she Tas moving? SANDRA Yes and you know , I out of the w8y , What did I do? PATCHETT : Yes SANDRA : I left a path_ PATCHETT: Did you remain seated? SANDRA : I did not . PATCHETT : You stood up? SANDRA : I did PATCHETT : And did you see where they went after they said, after they passed you? SANDRA : I did not _ PATCHETT : What did you do? SANDRA : I up = PATCHETT : Alright 9 and after you SANDRA I looked up , in that area , and saw nothing: I moved over like this _ PATCHETT : And did you then look around to See where had gone? SANDRA : I didn't. I looked back and they were gone. I, you know , I was PATCHETT : And what did you do? 538 No 9 Yes , No , got got up? they No , ================================================== Page 15 ================================================== EA 56-156 SANDRA : Went to the other room . PATCHETT : That ' s back in SANDRA : I Went into the room PATCHETT: I'1 going to walk up here to the landing &nd you tell me if this the landing where she wa8 just coming to when you first heard her say that , okay? Did you hear any sounds just before they came down , as you might hear if someone opens the door to a croded room and you hear the noise? SANDRA : I can t remember if I did 3r not There was noise coming in from there and , you know , it was a noisy night PATCHETT : Yeah, when the lady said this did she appear to be looking at you as though she were talicing to you when she said what she did ? SANDRA : Well, I don t know _ She was looling at me and she just said it if she was , I didn t think of anything like that at the moment All I knew it was a look of truth and I believed it PATCHETT : Okay , let 's go on down C 5 5 that ought to do it huh? (Pause) 539 ================================================== Page 16 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev:' 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/12/68 SANDRA SERRANO was shown the location in the kitchen area of the Enbassy Ballroom 5 Ambassador Hotel by SA RICHARD C BURRIS and Deputy District Attorneys JOHN HOWARD and DAN JOHNSON_ She wa $ shown the stage area where Senator KENNEDY gave his speech and the route to the kitchen area from the stage area was explained to her by SA BURRIS SERRANO was advised by SA BURRIS that approximately 1100 people, plus numerous pieces 0f television equipment were reportedly in the Emba ssy Room at the time of the speech She wa $ told the maximum occupancy of' the room was listed aS 750 , which is a good indication of the crowded conditiong SERRANO wa $ then wa Lked across the Embassy Ballroon at the s outhwest corner , through the fire exit doors and onto the outside fire escape stairs she clained to have been sitting on at the time Senator KENNEDY was shot It was suggested to her this distance is approximately 170 feet SERRANO was reminded that during previous interviews she indicated she had been on these steps when she heard wha t she thought to be 8ix backfires She had als0 indicated that approximately thirty seconds after hearing the backfires , she claimed she saw a WOinan wearing 8 white dress with black_polka dot8 , running down the steps_past her The woman said, shot him We shot him M SERRANO asked , "iWho?" and the Ti I woman said , Senator KENNEDY SERRANO had previously stated that approrimately 25 minutes before hearing wha t she thought wa S backfires , this same woman and man, plus another man , walked up the stairs past her She said after seeing the photograph of SIRHAN SIRHAN in the paper 9 she was certain the man wa lking up the stairs , who did not return down the stairs , was identical to SIRHAN . SERRANO was asked by SA BURRIS that after seeing the location of the shooting, in relation to where she was sitting on the steps if she still felt she had heerd the shots_ SERRANO said she nad never heard a gunshot in her life and never claimed she had heard gunshots 9 but had described what she heard as six backfires , four or five of which were close together On 6/10/68 Los Angeles , Califorpia # Los Angeles 56-156 by SA RICHARD C . BURRIS mmc / sdb 6/12/68 Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of tho FBI. It i9 the property of the FBL and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distribued outside ygur S#Puy _ "we ================================================== Page 17 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 SERRANO wa s told by SA BURRIS that her perents in Ohio had been interviewed and her mother stated that she , SANDRA $ had not mentioned the fact she had seen someone she SANDRA , felt was connected with the shooting- SERRANO explained she has a lweys hed difficulty communicating with her mother and was not able to talk to her to explain anything She said she wanted to talk to her father 9 but her father would not talk to her, since her father was apparently too upset about hearing that Senator KENNEDY haa been shot SERRANO was asked by SA BURRIS 5 in her interview on television 9 following the shooting_ 9 she had not said anything about seeing this woman and the two men go up the stairs , but only told about the woman and man coming back down It was pointed out to her the fact she claimed one of the men going up the stairs was SIRHAN STRHAN was the most significant part of the incident described by her SERRANO stated she could not explain why and accused those present of Lying to her and trying to trick her SA BURRIS then asked SERRANO at what point she felt she was lied to , or tricked , and she said that SA BURRIS had once referred to the polka dot dress as a black polka dot dress , rather than a white dress with black polka dots Deputy District Attorney JOHN HOWARD then asked SERRA NO if she would take a polygraph examination in an effort to verify what she had seen She indicated she wou ld take a polygraph and she then was aske d by HOWARD to reenact the incident on the steps 80 it might be video taped to avoid any misunderstanding on anyone S part a8 to what she claims to have seen SERRANO agreed, but prior to making the video tape she insisted in having someone present not connected with the investigation _ Several Ambassador Hotel employees were arranged for by HOWARD to act as witnesses end al1 but two . employees from the hotel kitchen were rejected by SERRANO 9 who gave no reason for her rejection 541 why ================================================== Page 18 ================================================== 3 LA 56_ Following the video tape interview 9 SERRANO statea she was very upset 9 could not continue 5 and requested to be taken home In compliance with SERRANO ' s request 5 Detective JOE GCODMAN 9 Rampart Division Detectives , Los Angeles 9 California , Police Department 9 drove her home 542 -156 ================================================== Page 19 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 Date 6/13/58 GEORGE STONER , Chlef , Bureau of Invcetigation, Loe Angeles County District Attorney 1 S Officc 5 made ava ilable {he folloing results of interviewi of SANDRA SERRANO by eant F P PMTCHETT Rampart Dxvision, Los Angeles Police Depa rtrlcnt , on June 10, STONER stated that thif intervie1) 1a8 placed on Fideo tape and the intervier Ia8 obwained from the audio porticn of this tape PATCHETT: This is Sergeant PATCHETT Rampart Detectives and the party present 9 to my right here is SANDRA SERRANO , who was one of the witnesses observing a woman entering and leave the Ambassador Hotel, the night 0f the shooting Also present during this particular interview will be FRED EAST and CARMEN BALLENTINE from the District Attorney' s Office, the Sound Lab 9 DICK BURRIS fron the FBI, DAN JOHNSON from the District Attorney ' s Orfice and JOSEPH GOODMAN , al50 from the Rempart Detectives SANDRA , what I'd like you to do iS g0 up to each dress , one at a time, refer to it a8 number one , number number three and 80 ana tell me what is s inilar or diesimilar about the dress in relation to the dress that was worn by the wWOman that you saw entering and exiting the building and the one who made the comment regarding the shooting of Senator KENNEDY . Okay? SANDRA : Okay . PATCHETT : Would you just step up to the first dress ? What about the dress 9 is there anything about the dress that is sinilar to that worn by the girl that evening? SANDRA : The collar, a little bit. PATCHETT : The collar , a little bit, What about the collar? Specifically. SANDRA: It Was a_stand Lp collar On 6/12/68 at Los Angeles , California File # Los_ Angeles_56-156 by SA RICHARD C BURRLS/clp Date dictated 6/13/68 Thie document containg neither recommendations nor conclugions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 543 Serg 1968 two, on, ================================================== Page 20 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 PATCHETT : It was a stand up collar How about the bow ? SANDRA Too huge, too PATCHETT : How about the sleeve length? SANDRA : I don 't believe it had the ruffle PATCHETT : No cuff 9 aside from the cuff , how would the length of the sleeve be ? SANDRA Three quarter length_ PATCHETT: Three quarter length sleeve How about the cut of the dress ? SANDRA : Too tapered _ PATCHEIT: Too tapered? SANDRA : Too tailored_ PATCHETT : Too tailored? This dress is too tailored? The dress she wore was more the A frame type? How about the size of the dots and the way they are on there? Would there be more or less than that? SANDRA : About the same_ PATCHETT About the same number? And how about the size? Did seem larger or smaller? SANDRA : About the same . PATCHETT : About the S ame Alright , let'8 go to the next dress , which is number two and directly behind you _ That particular_ 5 the collar of it SANDRA : It'8 about similar al80. PATCHETT: The collar on that dress is similar. How about the sleeve length? big : put they 544 ================================================== Page 21 ================================================== 3 LA 56-156 SANDRA : Similar PATCHETT : It would be that type possibly, would it have the frill? SANDRA : I don 't know PATCHETT : You don 't recall that? SANDRA I don 't recall PATCHETT: How about the cut of the dress ? SANDRA : It has a waist line. It had no waist_ PATCHETT : This other one did not? Is there any possibility that the dress could have been a solid white color dress? SANDRA : No . PATCHETT : You re positive of that_ SANDRA : Yes . PATCHETT : Alright_ The dress imediately behind Jou , number three SANDRA : It has a waist _ It didn t have this _ PATCHETT It didn't have the frill_ SANDRA and the eleeves , these are the closest sleeves _ I don t know 9 but these are the closest sleeves PATCHETT : Now by closest . That sleeve has a band , about two or three inches up fror the frill_ SANDRA : you iean this? PATCHETT : Right _ Did that dress have some thing like that and the rest of it flare out ? Do you recall? 545 Oh , ================================================== Page 22 ================================================== 4 LA 56-156 SANDRA : I don't recall, but I know that these are the closest PATCHETT : Alright . How about the collar of that particular dress ? SANDRA : No PATCHETT : Nothing similar at al1_ How about the number of dots in that dress as opposed SANDRA : Too many. PATCHETT Too many dots? How about the size of them? SANDRA : About the , could be a little bigger , about the same PATCHETT : About that size, maybe a little bit bigger. How about this dress , number four? SANDRA No . It's stands out too much _ PATCHETT: Polka dots are too large? SANDRA Too large , and it'9 a half waist , the collar is wrong and it had a bow _ PATCHETT : How about the sleeves ? SANDRA The sleeves are longer. PATCHETT : Definitely too short. How about this dress here ? SANDRA : definitely not. PATCHETT : Is there any possibility that that pattern dress could have been mistaken for polka dots you ? SANDRA : Not in my mind, there isn't. 546 too> big No , by ================================================== Page 23 ================================================== 5 LA 56-156 PATCHETT : Alright , fine. How about this dress here? SANDRA : The closest but no sleeves _ PATCHETT : That the closest one Now , that dress has squares , rather than dots How about the dress you saw that evening? SANDRA : I believe it was polka dots _ PATCHETT : You believe it was polka dots, not squares . So the number of squares on that dress would that be about the same number of dots that were on the other one? SANDRA : About the same PATCHETT : How about this one here? Let me iove over here and Jou can up to this dress here - How about that one? SANDRA : No . PATCHETT: How about the size of the dots? SAIDRA : Too huge. PATCHETT : The cut of the dress ? SANDRA : The cut of the dress 1s a little PATCHETT : What would be different? SANDRA : This , and the material 1s too heavy. PATCHETT : Well, aside from the material, just the way the dress is excluding this here. SANDRA : (not readeble) PATCHETT : A little more flair. Would you say that this dress , of what you have seen here , is one of the most similar? SANDRA : This one 547 one , 1$ step cut , ================================================== Page 24 ================================================== LA 56-156 PATCHETT : This one here is _ Let me take this down . Ana which other dress would you say was most similar? If another one is SANDRA : In which way? PATCHETT: Generally , as far a8 one that 18 cut closest to it or one that hag polka dots of the closest size to it. SANDRA : Actually, none of then . PATCHETT : None of them - How about the dress number three? Were the dots about that size? Or larger? SANDRA : A bit larger. PATCHETT : A bit larger than that . Would they be about the size of these? SANDRA those are too large? PATCHETT : Thoge are too large, 50 that this dress that We have here , the dots would be about the size? SANDRA : Right . PATCHETT : And as far a8 the number of dots , on the dress , it would be roughly this many? SANDRA : Right - PATCHETT As opposed to something like this ? SANDRA Yes . PATCHETT : There were not in any line, a8 they were here? SANDRA : No. PATCHETT : Now , which dress , as you recall, came closest to sleeve length? 548 No > ================================================== Page 25 ================================================== LA 56-156 SANDRA : This dress _ PATCHETT : Dress number three then is closest to sleeve length? SANDRA : Right - PATCHETT : And this dress , number is closest in number of dots? SANDRA ; Right - PATCHETT : Which dress would be closest in collar style? SANDRA : This dress and those two dresses _ PATCHETT: Dresses one and two would be closest in collar style and this one also? SANDRA : Right PATCHETT : How much of this girl coula you see? Do you recall seeing_ SANDRA : Al1 of her PATCHETT : How short or long was the length of the dress in relation to her knee ? SANDRA : Wasn't too long and wasn't too short , was just right PATCHETT: Stylish? SANDRA : Yeah, stylish- PATCHETT : Okay 3 who don'€ you sit down again Have you ever seen this selection of dresses before? SANDRA : Yes PATCHETT: When was that? 549 7 six, here , ================================================== Page 26 ================================================== LA 56-156 SANDRA : About twenty minutes to three PATCHETT : And it 1s now , what do you have ? SANDRA : I have a quarter after PATCHET : you were brought into the room here and shown the dresses prior to thig interview? SANDRA : Right PATCHETT : Is that correct? Prior to that time, had you ever seen them before? SANDRA : Yes _ PATCHETT : When was that? SANDRA : This dress 9 dress nurber Six. PATCHETT : This dress here number six, hcw about the rest of them? SANDRA : No. PATCHETT : This is the only dress you had seen before? SANDRA : Right - PATCHETT : Where had you seen this dress ? SANDRA : A friend has this dress _ This dress belongs to my PATCHETT : This dress belongs to a friend of yours ? I ask what your friend 8 name 1s? SANDRA : Mrs . MAUREENA STEWART . 550 SO , May ================================================== Page 27 ================================================== LA 56-156 PATCHETT : And this is a dress that you selected because it most nearly resembled the dress that the girl was wearing that evening? SANDRA Correct_ PATCHETT: With the exception of the sleeves ? SANDRA : Correct. PATCHETT : Alright Is there anything else that you can think of in regard to the dress that the girl was wearing that you would like to tell 4s about at thig time? SANDRA : No . PATCHETT : Alright, thank you_ (Pause) SANDRA : The dress was the same cut , this i8 a A-line cut, it had sleeves on it which I believe were three quarter length It had bib collar 9 with either a frill or rick rack around it and it had a bow with a stand up collar PATCHETT : Alright , fine_ Thank you , SANDRA For the record here , this is June 10, 1968, the correct time is 3:15 p.m. We are in Room D of the Oval Suite of the Ambassador Hotel. 551 ================================================== Page 28 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64 ) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/12/63 Date At 4:26 3ANDRA SERRANO telephsnically cintac teu 3A RICHARD C BURRIS at the Los Angeles FBI Office She etated she had just received a call frjin s wmene who said they were with the FBI 5 but failed to their name She wanted to know if anyone at the FBI had called her since she had furnished s ome information about a Youth for KENNEDY 2)-Worker, who had been with her at the Ambassador Hotel on the night Senator KENNEDY was shot . SERRANO advised that she has tw? attorneys 9 LARRY SWARTZ and ROBERT EATON , telephone nuber 653-9633, and were to be contacted before she would talk to anyone regarding what she saw at the Ambassador Hotel the night Senator KENNEDY was shot She said she had 83 notified the Los Angeles Police Department and the District Attorney' $ Office SERRANO further advised that the telephone nurber at her residence had been changed to 791-3166_ 6/11/65 Ljs Ange California Los Angeles 156 On at File # SA RICHARD C BURRIS /mmc/81 6/12/68 by Date dictated Thi8 document containg neither recommendationg nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and i8 loaned to your agency; it and itg contents &re not to be digtributed oucyid? your agency. PM , get they 56- 1es , ================================================== Page 29 ================================================== Ci 56-156 RCB /mmc On June 11, 1968 9 JOE GOODMAN, Detecti Rampart Division, Log Angcles Police Department= advised no effort was being made by the District Ratoreet;g Office to have SANDRA SERRANO interviewed with the aid of the polygraph for at least three or four daye 553 ve, ================================================== Page 30 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 6/11/68 Date PETER J PITCHESS 9 Sheriff , Los Angeles County , Hell Jf Justice, Los Angeles California , advised that on the afternoon of June 7 , 1968 2 his office had been telephonically contacted by a young voman named CATHEY 8 FULMER 9 and she advised his office that she believed she was the in the polka dot dress referred to in the newspapers Sheriff PITCHESS stated that he had deputies of the Los Angeles County Sheriff' s Office pick this young lady up at her residence and bring her to his office where he held her pending the arrival of detectives of the Los Angeles Police Department Sheriff PITCHESS stated CATHEY FULMER told him that she had been in the Embasey Room of the Anbasgador Hotel in Log Angeles 9 California, on the evening of June 4 , 1968 9 and the early morning of June 5, 1968, where Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY wag shot Sheriff PITCHESS stated CATHEY FULMER told him that she had worn 8 polka dot scarf over her dress on the evening of June 4 5 1968 9 and she further told him that after Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY was shot she ran from the Ambassador I Hotel screaming ha ve shot him Sheriff PITCHESS stated that CATHEY FULMER told him that she did not say have shot M him and she further told Seriff PITCHESS that she did not know STRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN Sheriff PITCHESS stated CATHEY FULMER did tell him that she had recognized photographs of STRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN appearing in local newspapers as an individual she believes she saw at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles on the evening Senator KENNEDY wa s shot 6/7/68 Los Angeles 5 California Los Angeles 56-156 On at File # SA WILLIAM B FARDY and SA MYRON M HITCHMMH/ngt /HMS 6/10/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendationg nor conclugiong 554 of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBT and is loaned to your agency; it' and it8 contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. girl iThey "ve ================================================== Page 31 ================================================== 2 EA 56-156 Sheriff PITCHESS stated CATHEY FULMER told him she believes she saw SIRHAN BISHARA STRHAN on approximately four occasions prior to the shooting of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY and she also told Sheriff PITCHESS she belieres STRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN is the individual she pushed aside to make room for a small Negro near the stage when Senator KENNEDY wa8 making his victory speech Sheriff PITCHESS stated that CATHEY FULMER would be taken to the Rampart street Division of the Los Angeles Police Department for interviewing by detectives of the Los Angeles Police Department 555 girl ================================================== Page 32 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 6/12/68 Date At 4:02 PM, an anonymous telephone call was received at the Los Angeles Office of the FBI from 2 male individual_ This person advised that the in the white dress with black polka dots the Police are looking for in connection with the shooting of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY 18 possibly a "belly dancer who previously worked at the Greek Village on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles He further stated that her name 18 ANTOINETTE (phonetic) last nane unknown , and that she is married to an Arab who is now believed to be in Mexico He al50 mentioned that ANTOINETTE last name unknown , is believed to at one time have dated one of SIRHAN SIRHAN ' g brothers He stated he had no further pertinent information 6/6/68 Los Angeles , California Los Angeles 56-156 On at File # IC RICHARD 1 . VOYLES/sab 6/12/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendationg nor conclusions 566 FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are not to be distributed outgide your agency girl ================================================== Page 33 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/12/63 Date Mrs BA RBA RA ANTOINETTE KHOURY , nee Wayshak, Tas intervieved by SA PAUL CHAMBERLA IN , JR_ and SA JOH E TRUAX , who identified thenselves to hex a8 Special Agente of the FBI, a t her reeidence 5667-Fountain Avenue, Apartment 8 _ B4 RBA RA KHOURY advised that she nas known SIRHAN BISHA RA SIRHAN and in fact hie entire family for a period of' approrima te seven yeare She stated that ehe firet came in contact with the fanily in 1961 when ehe intially dated ADEL SIRHA N , a brother of' SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN , and through hin met the entire SIRHAN family Mr$ KHOURY discloged that she has not personally talked to SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN for a per C iod of' approxirately four years but she etated that shc hae been in contact with ADEL SIRHAN as recently as one week ago Mx e KHOURY skered that on the evening of June 1963, the night of the election in Los Angelee 2 California, her friend BEVERLY COREY , a lgo known a5 Beverly Monroe 9 came to her residence driving ner Volksragen bue arriving a t appro- rinately 8:00 or 8:15 P . m KHOURY stated that she and BEVERLY COREY shortly thereafter left the apartment in BEVERLY ' g Volks L vagen bus and Crove to the International Pancake House on Sun - sek Boulevard in Hollywood 9 California , where stayed until approxima 10:00 p n KHOURY advised that upon lea ving the Internat ional Pancake House drove around the Hollywood area looking for 3 movie to attend KHOURY disclosed that they M decided upon the movie playing a k the Pantages Theatre in Hollywood and entered this theatre at approximately 10:30 p . X . KHOURY etated that the show in question let out at approxima 12:00 to 12:30 a m at which time she and BEVERLY COREY drove directly to her 5 KHOURY ' 8 , residence where were ne t at the door by her brother-in-law NABIL KHOURY 5 who adviged them that Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY had been shot 6/10/68 Los Angeles , California Loe Angeles 56-156 On at File # CA JOHN E TRUAX and SA PAUL CFA MBERLA IN 9 JR PC /nnb 6/11/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusiong of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and i8 loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are not to be distributed outside you5d7ncy 1y 4 , they tely they "Boom tely they ================================================== Page 34 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 KHOURY stated tha % she and BEVERLY COREY stayed "p the remainder of' the evening watching the celevieion reports of' the shoot Mrs .KHOURY stated that during the morning hours of' the f'ollowing June 5, she vas called by her mother who advised her tiat the individual accused of shooting 8enator KENNEDY had been identified as SIRHAN SIRHAN She stated that inasmuch as she was familiar with the SIRHAN family she wanted to be of' 8 ome assistance to them Mrs KHOURY advised that the following day s he and BEVERLY COREY travelled to the SIRHAN refidence in Pasadena, California in order that might offer anyy assistance necessary t0 the SIRHAN family BARBA RA KHOURY advised that she hae rot been to the Ambassador Hotel for a period in excess of' one year and posit- ively was not even in the vicinity of this hotel on the evening of' June 4 5, 1968 Mrs KHOURY stated that she does not own a white dress with black polka dots and claims the only polka dox dress she does Own 18 a brown dress with white dox € She stated ehe had not worn thig drese fox a period in excess Of' three weeks Mr S , KHOURY advised that she has no knowledge Whatsoever Of' any of: the" political philogophy possessed by SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN or for that matter his brother ADEL SIRHAN . She stated that her original connection with ADEL SIRHAN started in that he Ias a musician playing music at the La Fez nightclub in Holly- wood ) California, where she formally danced as an exotic dancer Mr s KHOURY stated that the last time she saw ADEL SIRHAN was on the evening of' Saturt 9 June 1, 1968 when he st opped by her aparknent for appr oxima five minutes to up photographs of her to be used for publicity reasons 558 ing 1968 day they day tely pick ================================================== Page 35 ================================================== 3 fA 56-156 Nr s _ KHOURY stated that she positively could furnigh n0 further informlation which vould be of' a5818 tance in the investigation involving SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN The following 1s a description of' BA RBA RA KHOURY a 8 obzained through obeervation and interviem: Name BA RBARA ANTOINETTE KHOURY Aliag Antoinette Khoury Sex Female Race Caucasian, Syrian extraction Weight 108_poundz Height Hair Br own Eyes Brown Date of birth PII Place of birth Brooklyn, New York Marital statu: Married I ii Husband JIM KHOURY (medical s tudent at the Univereity of' Mexico, extension at Guadala jara , Mexic0 Ex-husband BRUCE DA LTON (divorce obtained in 1962) California driver '8 license Residence 586 Fountain Avenue Log Angeles 9 California Apartment Occupation Belly dancer Last place o1 Greek Village employncnt Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood 9 California (terminated employment 27, 1368 559 5'2" May ================================================== Page 36 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 1 6/11/68 Date NAJEEB H_ KHOURY was interviewed at his residence 5767 Fountain Avenue , Apartment 8_ After the agents identified thenselves , KHOURY was advised of the FBI ' s interest in the shooting of U.8 Senator ROBERT F. KENNEDY KHOURY advised he wa s a Medical student University of Guadalajara > Mexico City , Mexico He returns to Los Angeles each vacation and during the summer t? make enough money for the next semester' s expenses During these periods he plays Mi the "Oud a musical instrument , at the Arabian night club La Fez 9 1508 North Vermont , Los Angeles STRHAN SIRHAN had a brother 9 ADEL SIRHAN 5 who als0 worked &t the La Fez 9 but KHOURY was only casually acquainted with him Through this brother , KHOURY met two or three Jther members of the STRHAN family_ 9 but he never knew SIRHAN SIRHAN The only time KHOURY ever visited the SIRHAN home was approximately one year &g0 following the death of AIDA STRHAN , a sister and the victim of Leukenia KHOURY stated he had elways been pro-KENNEDY He explained that he considered President JOHN p KENNEDY 3 real friend of the Arabs and felt ROBERT F KENNEDY shared these views For this reason he was shocked that a Jordanian, or any Arab for that metter would kill ROBERT KENNEDY KHOURY denied that he belonged to any organizations 9 pro-Arab or otherwise The following description was obtained from obser- vation &na interview: On 6/10/68 a Los Angeles 5 Califo ieie 0 Los Angeles 56-156 SAs JOHN E TRUAX &nd PAUL CHAMBERLAIN , JR . / JET/pih/HMS 6/11/68 by Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of 56QB0; It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and itg contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ================================================== Page 37 ================================================== 2 CA 56-156 Name NAJEEB H, KHOURY Aliag Jim Khoury Race White (Arabian Birth Data PII Nazareth, Palestine Height 5'9" Weight 140 pounds Hair Black Eyes Green Occupation 3tudent Relatives BARBARA ANTOINETTE KHOURY 9 wife Married Los Angeleg 9 1965) NABIL KHOURY 3 brother Age 21 (Lives with NAJEEB KHOURY) HABIB KHOURY brother Age 30 (Lives near Edgemont and Santa Monica Boulevard, Log Angelee 2 phore 660-0038 Residence 5767 Fountain Avenue Apartment 8 Los Angelee Vehic le 1965 Chevrolet 9 California license RFU 882 Arreet: Denied 561 ================================================== Page 38 ================================================== LA 56-156 MTSCELLANEOUS 562 ================================================== Page 39 ================================================== IA 56-156 CES/sro On June 12, 1968 9 JOHN EDGAR HOWARD , Deputy District A ttorney , Los Angeles County District Attorney 18 Office, adviged SA RS J LA JEUNESSE , JR . a8 follows : Los Angeleg County Superior Court Judge ARTHUR L ALARCON requested attorney A L_ WIRIN agsociated with the American Civil Liberties Union in Los Angeles , to consult with SIRHAN BISHA RA SIRHAN This request was made in open court by Judge ALARCON at which time Judge ALARCON pointed out he desired WIRIN to consult with SIRHAN Go inbure tha % all of SIRHAN' & constitutional rights would be fully protected WIRIN 3 after consulting with SIRHAN 9 has issued public statemente indicating it Was his desire that the California Bar Ageociation appoint a criminal attorney to represent SIRHA N, subj ect to SIRHAN ' 8 personal approval On June 11, 1968 WIRIN consulted with Los Angeles County Superior Court Presiding Judge DONA LD WRIGHT As a result of this meeting, it appears that WILBUR LITTLEFIELD , Chief Trial Attorney for the Los Angeles County Public Defender' 8 Office, will represent SIRHAN Tentative plang of the Lo: Angeles County District Attorney' & Office are that Mr LYNN COMPTON_ 9 Chief Deputy District Attorney , will head the prosecutive staff in future court proceedings 563 ================================================== Page 40 ================================================== 1 Ca 56-156 JMA /myw The Los Angeles Office received information from one FRANCES EVANS regarding SIRHAN SIRHAN appearing before a study group at Fullerton Junior College, Fullerton, California 564 ================================================== Page 41 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/10/68 Date KIM NAFFA, instructor at Fullerton Junior College, Fullerton, California, telephone number 871-8000 , advised he resided at 408 Barry Place, Placentia, and has residence telephone number 528-1170_ NAFFA stated that he teaches an adult education program on Fridaz evenings &t his home pertaining to general philosopny of life and that this program 18 sponsored the college_ NAFFA stated that he does not Irnow SIRHAN SIRHAN and that SIRHAN nas never appeared before this adult education group and spoke about the Arab situation. NAFFA stated that this education program does not deal strictly with the Arab life and history, but is a general philosophy group NAFFA stated that he 18 an Arab and has offered his fullest cooperation to the FBI in this matter and he stated if ne could be of a8sistance he would be glad to cooperate in any manner he could 565 8/6/68 Fullerton, California Los Angeles 56-156 at File # SA JOHN M_ AGNEW , 6/6/68 by Date dictated Thi8 document containg neither recommendations cOr conclusiong of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and ig loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents Are not to be distributed outside your agency. py hyw ================================================== Page 42 ================================================== 1 IA 56-156 jeh:ele The following investigation was conducted by SA JANES E HOFFER : AT__CHTNO, CA LIFORNIA : On June 10, 1968, Mrs RUBY GRAY, Bookkeeper 2 Eleworth Ranch, 3985 Schafer Avenue 5 advised that she had previously been contacted by a reporter regarding any employment of SIRHAN B_ SIRHAN with their ranch Mrs GRAY stated that she has eearched her recorde from 1962 through and could find no one by that nane being employed at or for the ranch 566 1968 ================================================== Page 43 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/11/58 Date STEPHEN HENRY PAPPAN , 428 North Los Robles Pa sa Zena 3 California 9 wa3 interviewed by SAa JOSEPH A _ CHEFALO and WAYNE L. BOURQUE , who identified themselvee a8 Agente of the FBI_ TAPPAN wa 8 warned of hie rights and waived them as shown on an executed warning and waiver form_ It was explained co TAPPAN that he was being interviewed concerning the Placing of an ad in the Jobs Wanted Section Jf the "Free Pree: a weekly newepaper published in Los Angeleg , which read , "I must ha ve 81,000.00 Do anything Free to travel, danger OK. Ca11 793-2212 be tween MI 7 5 8 p.m_ TAPPAN etated that he placed the ad in the #I "Free Prese because he needs money to started in a gold mining venture near Apa che Junction, Arizona He is very interested in gold mining and has placed an ad in the " "California Mining Journal aeking for work in mines This ad refulted in hie be coming acquainted with one MARTHA AYLOR , Ironwood Street , Apa che Junction, Arizona 9 who own: property near Apa che Junction on which some a bandoned mines are located_ TAPPAN visited AYLOR, who is over 70 years old, looked over the mines and believes he has found the "Lost Dutchman'& Mine " He ha: agreed to work the mine for AYLOR , but he needs 82,000 00 t? started He placed the ad M in the Press because n other Los Angeles newspaper would allow such an ad TAPPAN is presently employed a8 a dishwasher at tne waztern Coffee Shop, 155 South Rogemead , Paeadena 9 California be cause he is unable t? obtain a better job due t? a Traw "deai Ii he ceceived from the Unitec States Government The W raw ceal " was a medical discharge from the United States Army (USA ) TAPPAN enlieted in the USA in 1960 and requested traini in electronics or communications but waa inetead assigned to the cavalry , specializing in tanks 567 643/68 atPagadena 3 California Los Angeles 56-155 File # SAs JOSEPH A CHEFALO and by WAYNE L BOURQUE/ JAc[eb/gk_ 6/10/58 Date dictated This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of tho FBI, It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. get gold get "Free ng ================================================== Page 44 ================================================== 2 LA 56-156 He wes very unhappy about thig aeeignnent and felt he ehould have gotten Wha % nc had requested _ TAPPAN adhitted tha % he intent iona tried for a medical digcharge_ 2 because he was 80 unhappy with the military_ He did not think it wae wrong to do this Prior to enlisting in the U 8 Army 9 TAPPAN received trea tient from a Dr DUBE (phonetic) in Center Oeeippee New Hampehire, from the fall of 1959 to the summer of 1960, for "extreme nervoueneee While in the Army TAPPAN aleo 0 received trea tment for extrene nervousness before receiving his medical digcharge _ After being discharged , TAPPAN stayed a t his home in South Tamworth, NeI Hampehire 5 until June of 1962. He then moved to Boeton Meeeachugetts , and lived at 64 Westland Avenue for approrima 'tely two yearg While in Bogton he worked at numerous jobs none of which amounted to anything important In 1964' TAPPAN moved to Pasadena 2 California 9 and lived a t 70 South Grand for approximately one and one half yeare before moving ro his present addrees at 428 North M Los Robles TAPPAN has had the ad in the Preee since about the first Teek in March He stated he ha 8 received numerous calls from cranke but has received a few legitimate offers One ofier was from 3 JOHN RELSMAN and 8 JOHN PHILLIPS telephone number 628-4421 ) who offered TAPPAN 3 job dfiving automobiles {o the East Coaet for which he would be paid $800.00 2 however TAPPAN has not been able to confirm the offer as he hag been unable to contact thoge individualg at the teiephone number given MI Another offer received by telephone has to d3 with industrial " espionage TAPPAN adviged he received a call about one and one half weeks ago from an unknown ma le Who aeked if he would be intereeted in the above type work When TAPPAN indicated he would be the caller advised he would contact TAPPAN at a future da te On or about June 6, 1968 5 TAPPAN wa: visited by 3 man he deecribed a8 a Thite male , slim build, ewerthy complexion_ 9 long dark brown hair, odd shaped face, wearing very expeneive derk blue iridescent suit, pointed black ehoes with buckies 9 who taiked about 1ly "Free trip; 5'4" 568 ================================================== Page 45 ================================================== 3 IA 56-156 XI M TAPPAN working in induetrial eepionage Thie individual told TAPPAN to e tudy the Italian language , 28 he would poeeibly be in Italy in thig line of work_ Thie individual did not identify hingelf but eaid he would contact TAPPAN again _ TAPPAN ie very desperate for work and advised that he would &ccept a lmost anything, however , he ould not accept anything illegal He further advieed that since placing the ad in the newepaper he hag not received any calle corcerning the assaseina tion of ROBERT F _ KENNEDY Hc stated that he would not involved in anything of that nature 569 get ================================================== Page 46 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION 6/11/68 Date Mrs ERNEST KAVANOUGH ALLEN 230 Cordova Street , advised that she 18 njt acquainted with SIRHAN SIRHAN or any member of h:s fami ALLEN said that when reading a11 of the publicity regarding the KENNEDY agsas8ination, she became very C oncerned for the mother of the accused assassin, SIRHAN SIRHAN and wanted t) help her in any way she could during this time of sorrow ALLEN said she read in the newepaper an article which isted a neighbor of SIRHAN by the nane of MARGUERITE DAUGHERTY 9 709 East Howard Street and telephonically contacted Mrs DAUGHERTY to see if there was any way she could help SIRHAN S mother ALLEN advised that she is 83 years of' age and three years ago had traveled around the world a8 a type of goodwill ambas gador ror the State of Ca lifornie She stated that she was not employed for the State of Ca lifornia but mere Ly dia this on her own as she wanted to inform other countries of the life in Anerica and als3 obtain information regarding how other peopleg of the world live ALLEN etated that she has been a member of the United American Arab Congress Hollywood Boulevara 9 Los Angeles , and als0 the Asia "SocietyreHoilywood 9 California, for approxi- mate ly tw? years ALLEN said tha t hez main interest in life is to educate the pe ople in the United States about foreign countries and especially the Arab countries She stated that she felt that the American people were indirectly guilty for Senator KENNEDY ' s death because of our ignorance to the problems confronting other cjuntries of the world, especially the Arab and Jewish world 570 6/9/68 Pagadena , California Los Ange Leg 56-156 On at File # SAs WA YNE L BOURQUE and JOSEPH A CHEFALO/wlb/rah 6/11/68 by Date dictated This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. ly _ ================================================== Page 47 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA TION Date 6/12/63 DEAN PACK , 1404 North Tuetin Avenue 5 Apartment telephone 835-5128 2 was exhibited a photograph of' SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN and after examining this photograph, PACK stated that it looks like the eane individual that he observed on June 1, 1968 in the area of Rancho Celifornia target ehooting with tw 0 other individuale PACK stated he va s not positive of' this identification but the photograph Of' SIRHAN strongly resembled the individual that he observed on this date 571 On 6/12/68 at Santa California File # Los Angeles 56-156 by EA JOHN M. A GNEW nnb 6/12/68 Date dictated Thi8 document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 3-2, Ana > ================================================== Page 48 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 6/12/68 FRED JOSEPH PAULOS 3 527 North Camden 5 Beverly Hille 9 California, was interviewed regarding his knowledge of any meet ings at the Green Hotel, Pagadena 5 California, of Arabic type people PAULOS etated he and hie mother bought the Green Hotel in April or 1967, and began renovating the hotel_ He wa s at the hotel at least five dajye a week and cannot recall anyone having any meetinge , eepecially in one of the rooms To his knowledge he has never seen SIRHAN SIRHAN , but after this individual was arrested for the assassination of Senator ROBERT F KENNEDY 9 hie stepfather JOE TABELLO 9 mentioned to him he knew of the family. PAULOS stated he could not furnish any information regarding SIRHAN which might be helpful in this case 572 6/11/68 Los Angeles 9 California Los Angeles 56-156 On at File # SA KENNETH B . COOPER/pih 6/12/68 by Date dictated This document containg neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It i8 the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and it8 contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. May > ================================================== Page 49 ================================================== FD-302 (Rev. 4-15-64) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 6/7/62 Date RAY WILLIAMS , Agent Thor Jughbred Racing Protective Board (TRPB ) Hollywood Park Race Track , advised that he had learned that SIRHAN BISHARA SIRHAN had worked for JOHN SIEAR now the_paddock gate wh? used t) be assistant trainer for GORDON BOWSHER fphonetic fuard 9 a trainer WILLIAMS also learned that SIRHAN worked for LYNN WHEELER , a trainer , who has Box 211 in the track area WILLIAMS further advised that he had learned that II SIRHAN was a friend of' a race track "hot-welker named MERLE MATTESON Hot-walkers are the aen who walk horses to c221 then down after a race or 2 workout It according t) WILLIAMS , very low status work The hot-walkers a1s? c lean stall8 , et cetera WILLIAMS 8aid MATTESON is in his mid-50'8 , is constantly quoting the Bible and has written anonym?u8 anti-Semitic letters to the President Jf the United States_ 5 Secretary of Defense and other lic officials WILLIAMS said his source 3f information about SIRHAN and MATTESON is GEORGE WEINER , wh? is a former Los les County Deputy Sheriff now with the California Horse Racing Board 5 at MA 0-4160 in Los Angeles WILLIAMS advised that MATTESON lives in Tack Room Number Barn Nuaber Three , at Hollywood Park Track WILLIAMS made available the attached copy of a report on MATTESON dated 23 3 1963 relating to his letter writing WILLIAMS believes that MATTESON 18 a wental case 573 6/5/68 lewjoc 9 California Los Angeles 156 On at File # SA ROBERT H MORNEAU , JR and SA IRVIN B_ WELLS , IIL/-hi,jr/a8i 6/6/63 by Date dictated Thig document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and i8 loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outgide your agency. i5 , Holy pub Ange Tw?, May 56- Ing ================================================== Page 50 ================================================== TiioROuGnRED RACING PROTECTIVE JuREAU Subjecl Maller: HEU; MARZON IATTESON 45 Jlot_Walk:os ; 1968 DoB SSN (LA . 16-1861 P FPII File No. (NY Period= 5/17, 18 20/68 Origin: (LA Loa '[ngelcs/358 (NY Repor} madc by:B I. jllieno Summary: Subject admi tied vriting @1}eonyious MC;aCz0 cn 0 plain Nnlto envolope _ The %casego %oa oddregaed to BREN?' GOLCORD , 8iaizirlg Offico, Hollyiood Park, ad [23 dorogctor] in ntro. 4 o3m1ler tJpo neJCQEQ MeS rcelved carliur % tho ncting uhlch had becn adtresjad &0 tho Stcuarda Ctordon Cli8fOl, iino handled Eail in1 thc atablo Drca at Janta Anita, adviacd Dinilar type 1C392383 lave bcen eddrezced t0 Fresidunt Jolmson9 tbo Socrotary 0f Derense, ond othcr? pablic Officials. This report is furnished in slrici confidence : the reguesi ol and Ior the exclusive use oi: Nev York Log :ngelcs IolZyrood Park CHRB J,8 , Socret Service (tnbiung thertzzu) TRPD Agcn? L 574 THIS REPORT 1S CONFIENTIAT 232 Liny Date:

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